Nur der obere Teil ist Symbolbild, der untere tatsächliche Dokumentation? :O

Warum nicht gleitend das System ändern? Bestandschutz für die heutigen Beamten und alle neu verbeamtete kommen ins neue System.

Richtig, genau so müsste es gemacht werden!

Ein Pyramidensystem funktioniert nicht plötzlich dauerhaft, wenn mehr Leute dazukommen. Es bedarf struktureller Änderungen.

Nein, aber indem man sicherstellt, dass dieses Pyramidensystem tatsächlich auch für alle zählt und sich nicht einzelne Gruppen herausretten können, erhöht es die Akzeptanz - und tatsächlich den Willen, das System zu reparieren. Außerdem ist es eigentlich eine Sache der Fairness.

In Österreich läuft es wohl so, dass zwar immernoch die Beamten gesondert versorgt werden, diese Versorgung aber deckungsgleich ist mit dem normalen Rentensystem.

If anything why do you expect them to make that step now?

I don’t expect them to make that step. But there must be true willingness apparent to take that step, should this conflict ever come to an end.

there needs to be a good faith effort from, well, anyone.

True!

There’s no reason they should be disallowed from running for elections in a post-conflict Palestine.

If they give up their current main goal, the destruction of Israel, yes.

Israel as a Jewish state built by Jews for Jews is already full of injustices

How much Jewish life is there left in Palestine or even Gaza? Is Gaza, run by the Hamas, a secular entity open to all religions, protecting also their rights?

I mean, I completely agree with you concerning equal rights for all regions, but this shouldn’t only apply to one side of the conflict. As far as I can tell, the problem of Hamas with Israel is not that a minority religion is not granted full rights along the states “main religion”, it is only that Judaism is the main religion and not Islam. That’s however no basis for a solution, only changing to opposite signs.

Everything you want should come as part of negotiations between the two sides, not as a mere prelude to negotiations. It takes two to tango here

Absolutely agree! However, speaking of pressure to be exerted by supporting nations on Israel, there has to be at least a perspective of achieving something positive with that and not just switching the upper hand to the other radical side. Then, there’s not only Hamas but also Iran that is set to destroy Israel. The potential pressure hence is also limited by the fact that Israel still needs to be able to fully deter this regime. And that’s where it becomes completely complicated…

Dann wird der Spaß wieder eingestampft und es dauert bis Mitte des Jahrhunderts bis wieder eine Version veröffentlicht wird

Ganz ehrlich: das kann aber nicht unser Problem sein!

Wer in einem derart sensiblen Bereich ein derart schlechtes Produkt auf den Markt drücken will, darf sich bitte über Ablehnung nicht wundern - und sollte stattdessen so ein Projekt mit der gebührenden Verantwortung angehen, statt so etwas hinzurotzen. Der Fehler ist das Produkt, nicht der Kunde, der es ablehnt.

Not ruling Gaza has never been a deal-breaker for them.

No, but disarming has. Giving up their rule in Gaza is one thing, but they’d also need to agree on disarming and effectively dissolving themselves. So far, I can’t see them make that step.

If the injustices cease groups such as Hamas will have no way of selling themselves to the people

The problem is that it already is an injustice for too many people on both sides that the other ones should have their own state. Here, the injustice for Hamas is the mere existence of Israel. The Good Friday Agreement includes both sides to acknowledge the other side, this would have to happen here as well.

In diesem Thread: verbeamtete Fedditeure fahren die Krallen aus. :)

Dabei ist gerade vor dem Hinblick der Probleme im Rentensystem eine Zwei-Klassen-Gesellschaft nur mehr schwer zu vermitteln. Soweit ich weiß, wird das in Österreich seit 20 Jahren auch schon so gemacht, warum also nicht auch bei uns?

I don’t think Hamas has been pitching itself as the future rulers of Palestine

They certainly were very keen on becoming rulers of Gaza at leaat and conveniently forgot to allow free elections ever after. Hamas has indeed a strong political agenda and their main goal is and was to destroy Israel.

If the international community gives Israel an ultimatum saying “equal rights for Palestinians now or no weapons” the whole problem will fix itself

Only if the international community can effectively exert the same pressure on actors such as Hamas. If only Israel is militarily weakened while Hamas can then resume their terror again, this absolutely won’t fly. This is why Hamas and/or their main goal would need to disappear, too.

Rebellieren Kinder nicht oft gegen die Einstellungen der Eltern…?

As far as I can tell, we both stated something Morris said. I wouldn’t consider one thing a fact and the other a biased view, no matter which one. I wouldn’t consider both things “a fact” per se. But as I said, we can exchange those snippets all day long and won’t get anywhere, so I don’t see a point.

Who said anything about either of that?

Well, afaik, both Hamas and expansionist Israelis each think of a solution where they take over the entire other part, not of one where they equally cohabit in one common nation together.

The facts are clear that Palestine’s Jewish population was not at risk of extermination or displacement by the Arab armies.

The same author (Morris) also said this:

While Benny Morris considers the real picture of the Arab aims to be more complex, notably because they were well aware they could not defeat the Jews,[101] he argues that the Yishuv was indeed threatened with extinction and feared what would happen if the Arabs won.

We can exchange snippets from authors aligning with our views all day without making any progress at all.

Fact is: there won’t be the necessary trust from Palestinians towards actors such as the IDF for them to live under their rule - there won’t be the necessary trust of Israelis towards actors auch as Hamas for them to live under their rule.

They’ll never live in one state, as they each have reasonable doubt about the respective other side - hence everyone still advocating the idea of one side surpassing the other and taking over the other part is only ensuring that this conflict will never end. This includes Israelis that want to destroy Palestine - this includes Palestinians that want to destroy Israel - and those on the outside advocating either of it.

Die Linke fordert nicht nur konsequentere Umsetzung der Sanktionen

Das stimmt. Aber gleichzeitig lehnt die Linke kategorisch den Bestandteil der Hilfe an die Ukraine ab, der sicherstellt, dass es die Ukraine überhaupt noch gibt.

So oder so. Die gesamte Diskussion zu dieser Partei ist hier vollkommen deplatziert, denn es tut sich hier insbesondere die SPD als problematisch hervor. Davon muss man nicht ablenken mit Verweisen auf die Linke.

habe ich mich in der Religiösen Strömung vertan

Alles gut, Respekt für den Umgang damit!

Falls der ein Arschloch ist (was ich bei US-Katholiken mal annehme)

Ah ja. Alle US-amerikanischen Katholiken Arschlöcher? Weil sie Amis sind und dazu noch Katholiken? Gibt’s das noch ne Schippe kleiner oder findest du so pauschalisierende Vorurteile nur aufgrund von Herkunft und Glaube gut?

Kritik an Amerika und/oder der katholischen Kirche geht auch ohne ein Land und eine Religion pauschal über einen Kamm zu scheren. Lass das mal lieber die Rechten machen.

They show a devotion comparable to religious sects. Those don’t work for money but because they are completely absorbed by their respective belief. :)

I can recall off the top of my head multiple examples where military conquest or regime change happened without mass civilian casualties.

I’m talking about Israel/Palestine specifically. And I guess we both know things tend to take the more violent route there if two options exist.

No it’s not; that’s pseudohistory.

There have been massacres by Arabs against Israelis (and vice versa, just to be sure). No side can claim clean hands.

I don’t think you understand what jihad is.

All I know is that the usage here, i.e. calling the war against Israel a duty toward God, isn’t making the conflict a more peaceful one.

They don’t get paid, they do it out of conviction

People can be annihilated, which is obviously not what I’m talking about.

But this is what would be (and has historically been) at stake. Such a war would be (and was) not only about dismantling an administrative entity such as the state Israel but inevitably would also include the killing of the inhabitants of this state. That happened when the military coalition of Arab states invaded Israel in '48 and it btw also happened when Israel occupied Gaza. Muslim religious leaders declaring the war against Israel per fatwa as djihad didn’t help either. The core problem is that too many people (on both sides!) think they are in the right of denying the opposing site existence. This will never lead anywhere. Although superior in numbers, the Arab states will never achieve a Middle East without Israel due to the Western support that precisely due to this scenario will never cease to ensure Israel’s safety. At the same time, power-hungry corrupt politicians such as Netanyahu that need war to stay in office and out of prison teaming up with fundamentalist Israelis dreaming of a Middle East without Palestine will never succeed. The knot must be cut - starting with, on both sides, isolating those that think there is a possibility where only one side will prevail while the other gets destroyed. This won’t ever happen.

the IDF is still one of the most advanced militaries in the world. It’s not like they’d be sitting ducks without Western support.

Almost all large equipment is in one way or the other attributed to the US or another larger Western power. Israel is an isolated, small land surrounded by parties that more or less openly seek to destroy it. It is regionally only respected for its military power, nothing else. As developed as it is, it has almost no resources and is highly dependend on access to markets and the help of others.

“Entschuldigung, bei uns ist rauchen verbot…”

“JA, ICH WEIẞ ABER NOCH NICHT, WAS ICH WILL!!”

Ich meine schon die im Artikel erwähnte Stelle:

[…] dass der Verfassungsschutz die AfD bis zu einem Urteil nicht als gesichert extremistische Bestrebung beobachten kann