Dig this big crux.
Any termination of pregnanacy before the 20th week is considered an abortion btw. So if you were to miscarry it would be considered an abortion, take that as you will.
You underestimate how crazy fundamentalists are. For them, it’s worth dying if it saves the fetus, because for them a fetus is a living and breathing child.
Here’s the thing though. When THEY need it, it’s ok. They’ll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know. They have absolutely no problem being hypocrites in any aspect of their lives.
They’ll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know
Not the poor ones. The poor ones die.
Class war, not culture war.
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Very fucked if you live on an island though. Not only do you need to be rich, you need a visa.
At least the Dominican Republic will be getting a new penal code this year that allows it in cases of life-threatening complications this year. Then you can pray that the courts let your doctor do it instead.
Not if it was diagnosed in a regressive state.
The record of the pregnancy doesn’t go away and because any reasonable obstetricians that can, leaves the state they are likely to end up with the Christian™️ ones that will report them for murder.
“Rules for thee, not for me”
“It’s okay. They’ll make an exception for me. Because I’m special.”
- Republican women
My conservative grandma who votes R every time because of abortion had an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. When my mother was pregnant with me at fifteen, she offered her an abortion.
What’s her reasoning that others should not have that option?
She would never acknowledge the fact that she wanted me aborted, so it’s not something I’ve heard justified. This is a family tree defined by sexual violence, so there are a lot of topics which exist in that liminal space.
Republican women live in a world that is governed by fear and control. Abortion being an option removes that aspect of fear. There is something in it that works the same way a “kink” does, that if one follows the rules and takes the hurt, everything works out in the end. Why would you take out the hurt/is it actually a feasible option to take out the hurt?
But to actually answer your question, asking her the question would just not get a response.
I’ve read that conservatives model the world as “strict rules that have exceptions made on a case by case basis”. That maybe works if you’re in a small village. Smarter people realize that doesn’t scale and you should write better rules in the first place.
Oh but it does scale: Abortions are forbidden with the following exceptions:
- The carrying mother requests one.
- The carrying mother is in no condition to express her will and her pregnancy puts her life in danger, in which case we can refer to consent forms she would have already filled covering such cases, doctors and her family).
Liberals still having trouble conceptualising that MAGA is a death cult that has no issue with policies that kill everyone.
Ugh.
A study did show before that people from either political side fundamentally don’t understand each other, which leaves both sides stereotyping each other and polarisation.
“I thought they’d make an exception for my abortion” sobs woman who voted for the Women Dying of Pregnancy Complications Party.
My wife literally had to have all three of those while we were trying to have our twins. She had a double whammy of a rogue ectopic they couldn’t find on scans and an empty gestational sac in the uterus that wouldn’t pass. They knew there had to be an ectopic somewhere because her hCG levels weren’t tracking with what they should be with what they could see on the scans.
So the Catholic hospital we were at gave her multiple courses of methotrexate to make sure they got the ectopic. Multiple scripts for I believe it was Misoprostol to try to pass the miscarriage. But when that didn’t work and she showed up to a monitoring appointment with signs of sepsis, they immediately took her in for emergency surgery to remove it.
Then when we finally got our twins we had to do a late term selective termination because the pregnancy was originally quads, one died early enough to be reabsorbed but was conjoined at the umbilical cord to her twin. That twin had a massive stroke during some crucial brain development weeks and we found out at 20 weeks that she had basically no brain and her constant seizures were actively killing the other two and might even cause her to lose the entire pregnancy.
Literally the only option to save the two healthy twins was to terminate that triplet. Abortion is literally the only reason my twins are alive today.
Who would downvote this
Sad chuds who can’t argue with the need for abortion in my wife’s particular case but still hate it generally? idk.
I can’t tell you how many conservatives I’ve talked to about abortion with our particular story who just viscerally hate it as a concept because in their minds 90% of the people using it are just floozies who can’t keep their legs closed. Let me tell you, the existential crisis so many of them have when I tell them that even if that were the case, there is no possible way stop just those abortions without also killing babies like my twins is crazy.
Like yeah Buddy, every second that triplet was having those seizures the risk we just lost all three of them grew. On top of that we were measurably watching the two healthy babies slip down the fetal growth charts. As in they were on one growth curve, and they dropped down to a lower curve because the seizures were stealing all the nutrients my wife’s body had. There was a vary real possibility that one or both of these little barely over 20 week old fetuses just died while we waited for this surgery with them rushing absolutely everything because NY is no questions asked before 24 weeks. We finally had it as just over 22 weeks. Sure, theoretically they could have done their “morality check” in those 2 weeks. But realistically that’s not going to happen. What’s actually going to happen is exactly what we already see happening in places where women are dying or nearly dying of sepsis because of these bans.
US maternal mortality rate:
2016: 17 women per 100,000 births
2024: 19 women per 100,000 births
That is an 11% increase and higher than any year in the 2000-2019 timeframe.
Sort of unrelated but I always like to point out that the fatality rate for active duty police in the US is only around 12 per 100,000, so it’s more dangerous to be pregnant than to be a cop
Not the rate but the needlessness is the issue.
The rate is the factual evidence that denying women healthcare creates real harm.
A singular case of denied abortion leading to death is enough here. It is not about the statistic threat but the unnecessary death.
That may be so, but the numbers are where you point to show how deficient the US healthcare system is towards pregnancy and mothers.
You seem to be under the impression that the average American understands numbers.
That’s not what the numbers show though. You need more numbers and context to do anything rigorous.
What I meant is that their quoted numbers alone are insufficient.
How about both? You don’t need to deny or dismiss any other valid supporting point in order to drive your point home. Every unnecessary death is wrong. An increase in unnecessary deaths is wrong. It’s terrible en masse, and each one is completely unforgivable.
Just for a comparison, Canada’s maternal mortality rate for 2023 was 12 per 100,000.
Republican Women: “Good, keep your legs closed, slut.” Wish I was joking.
Say the ones who:
Suffer miserably through being a trapped tradwife breeder banging out kids in an empty life of conformity.
Quietly take a trip out of state or out of country to deal with a pregnancy they kept quiet.
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The absolute raging short circuit they go into when my wife and I tell conservatives that while trying for a baby she not only had to have multiple abortions to keep an ectopic pregnancy and sepsis from a miscarriage from killing her, but that we had to terminate our twins’ triplet because her constant seizures were actively killing the healthy twins and making it increasingly likely that we just lost the entire pregnancy are crazy.
I’ve had people try to tell me that abortions like the ones listed in the OP aren’t actually abortion and abortion is only when the “sluts” terminate a baby they don’t want. I’ve had them try to tell me that they’re completely okay with situations like my wife and just want to stop the “sluts abusing it” and completely blue screening when I explain to them that the delay while they checked that my wife wasn’t a “slut abusing it” would have likely killed my twins.
I can’t with these people man, I fucking can’t.
And they believe the “sluts” will carry a baby almost to term to just have it aborted at the last moment. These people do not live in reality.
Or that whole “post-birth abortion” insanity. Which as I understand it came from a hypothetical about whether or not parents would be allowed to let a baby with severe deformities that couldn’t live without machines die of natural causes rather than subject them to painful and invasive surgeries. Like that’s a thing that’s happening all the time to perfectly healthy babies because some blue haired liberal didn’t want them.
I’ll be honest, their morals and thought processes disgust me to the core.
Tell me you’ve internalized patriarchy without telling me you’ve internalized patriarchy.
Republican women: invokes double standard
Meme picture of kid on the ground with a boot on them but it’s their own hand in the boot.
Everyone should read Dworkin’s Right Wing Women.
Also Republicans: Complain about low birth rates…
They’re not concerned with all birth rates equally though, they’re concerned about the white ones.
nothing hotter than Christian hotwives with Stockholm syndrome
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And the GOP says: “OK, then you die. Sucks to be a woman.”
Yeah, I mean that’s just Jesus telling me to swap them out for a younger model. Blessed!
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The treatment for an unwanted pregnancy is abortion.
People really dance around this issue, but we simply need to give women access to safe abortions for unwanted pregnancies.
No no, the compassionate approach is to force the women to bear the child, raise it in poverty and neglect if not outright constant abuse, wash out into the foster care system, grow up with no skills and fewer prospects, become homeless and then round them up and throw them in prison when they use drugs to cope with their shit lives. Just like Jesus wants, you baby murderer!
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As a billionaire living my best life, I’m taking $30m from the first 200 people who don’t message me ‘stinkleton’. I understand that many people are struggling with bills, and I want to help increase that burden.
grace to you ricky 💜
Oh, here’s the other time abortion is acceptable to Republican women: when they (or their daughters) fuck some guy that they shouldn’t (for whatever reason) and then get pregnant.
You forgot about when their shitty husbands fuck their secretaries or some underage girl.
For some yes, but for others, that’s just the punishment for the (insert derogatory term) who tempted/stole their husband.
Spoiler: it’s when the guy isn’t white
Doesn’t affect them until it directly affects them. They won’t support it until it directly affects them. Because it never affects enough of them at once, nothing ever changes.
Fermi’s Paradox was staring us in the face the whole time.
The procedure for a stillbirth removal is an abortion. Often in the third trimester.
Isn’t that the third point?
Trigger warning. You don’t need to read this if you’ve lost a baby.
Miscarriage care is often associated with a fetus that could not survive outside the womb, has encountered issues (from birth defects to bodily stresses), and is now being expelled. The biggest risk is bleeding out. If you’ve ever seen a hemorrhaging post partum woman it is quite dramatic. If standing, it can be a like a tap turned on and is creating a large puddle of frank blood at the woman’s feet. Supplying blood to a fetus is dangerous for a mother when the connection is severed, even in normal childbirth. Miscarriage care ensures that once the dead fetus is removed, by natural means or the abortion procedure, the bleeding stops.
It’s important to know that the D&C procedure is used for all manner of gynecological reasons, many of which don’t even involve pregnancy. Polyp removal. Biopsy. Etc. A miscarriage D&C may not even be removing the dead fetus, that may have already occurred, but the D&C is done to ensure all dead tissue bits are washed out in addition to making sure the bleeding has stopped.
Stillbirth is typically associated with a third trimester fetus/baby that can possibly survive outside the womb. Except it unexpectedly dies in utero instead. These are large bodies, not like the standard miscarriage where tissue sized between a rice grain and a baby carrot is expelled. This time, the corpse will remain, decomposing in utero, until an abortion is performed. The biggest danger here is sepsis, or full system infection causing mass organ failure, due to this corpse presence. It’s why that teen girl in Texas died when no one would help her with stillbirth removal, aka, an abortion.
It’s important to spell out stillbirth since there are still major misconceptions voiced regarding third trimester abortion stats.
thanks for the clarification
I think that’s correct, but when I read it my mind went to when it happens much earlier earlier, so I think it bears specifying.
The evil authors of these laws don’t care. Women are dying and being maimed, losing limbs, getting very sick before care…living children losing their mothers, for the concept of a person who might be. They might even try to justify it with their religious shit.
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