The correct word would have been “threatens”…
Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run
I want Jasmine Crocket or AOC. Waltz will do though.
Ensure we have no chance of winning.
Honestly? Fuck it. Corporate Dems are pushing Newsom hard; I’d love to see Kamala wrestle with being abandoned by everyone she gave up any morals for.
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god im so happy im not american right now.
Best change your name to 1986 Volvo or some shit then.
id rather a 90s golf TDI than a volvo
I love how everybody is assuming that there will be a “next election”. I’m not sure that’s guaranteed. Except, maybe, in the way that Russia still has elections.
I mean, I know you can be too alarmist about things, but there’s a very clear and obvious direction of travel in the US right now.
Doomerism helps nothing
Doomerism would be if there were an “…and therefore it’s pointless doing anything” at the end.
I’d say the thing that helps nothing is a casual assumption of “if we campaign well enough, then we’ll win the next election and everything will be fine”, as opposed to “we are sleepwalking into a fascist dictatorship and we need to take that seriously”.
You don’t need to spell out that last bit for it to have the same effect, as their whole attitude implies it
I’ve seen no attitude in this thread which suggests that people are doing anything other than assuming that the next US presidential election will happen and be business as usual.
One need only look at the start of this very thread to be proven wrong about that… it’s almost as if my comment on the doomerism was not spawned from nothing.
The correct word would have been “threatens”
Please fuck off. Let Tim Waltz run
Honestly? Fuck it. Corporate Dems are pushing Newsom hard; I’d love to see Kamala wrestle with being abandoned by everyone she gave up any morals for.
Ensure we have no chance of winning
I will splinter the two party system into a thousand little pieces. Mark my words.
That’s every top-level post above mine. Which suggests to you that the poster is concerned about Trump subverting or cancelling the election to finalise installing himself as a dictator?
I was talking about YOURS. Holy shit
I don’t disagree with you, but I feel like people jump to that scenario without describing the steps to get there. How do you see unfolding? How do different opposition groups respond such as the DNC? What about blue states? How does the administration handle it without losing popular consensus? Does it even matter? If they use the military, how do they get the military stay the path when the populous begins to reject their intervention?
Trump is sending “election observers” to California because of prop 50 and to New York because of Mamdani. It’s reasonable to be very concerned about future election integrity. ICE has a larger budget than the Marines. They’ve openly ignored courts. They have fully abandoned the rule of law.
Like I said, I don’t disagree that this is a possibility, but I’m curious how people see it unfolding. I like to leverage other minds to develop my thinking.
They just told you how they see it unfolding though.
The only thing they said was they are sending election observers. How does that answer any of the very valid questions I asked?
How do you see unfolding?
Martial law to respond to ice agents being killed or police turning against them.
They’re already trying to instigate this.
How do different opposition groups respond such as the DNC?
“The Supreme Court says it’s ok, so our hands are tied, but we’re very upset.”
They already have the Supreme Court on their team.
What about blue states?
Governors will either roll over or start a hot civil war.
Which do you think they’ll choose?
How does the administration handle it without losing popular consensus?
By arresting and murdering protesters.
They’ve already identified vague groups like antifa as domestic terrorists.
If they use the military, how do they get the military stay the path when the populous begins to reject their intervention?
If you give ICE a large enough budget, they can act as a new military. And by firing non-loyal brass for not being able to do enough pushups and replacing them with loyalists, you can keep the military from intervening under the guise of neutrality.
The Courts are, as you noted, already in line with or an ineffective hedge against the administration. I think there are other opposition groups. I suspect there are more than a few in the military who are willing to resist. Discounting military leaders has been the downfall of many rebellions.
Replacing personelle isn’t as easy as just putting someone loyal into the position. Execution requires competency and the counter elites don’t have experience to run things effectively save a few notable exceptions. They seem best suited to posturing, making grand proclamations, and breaking things. This is fine when you’re trying to destroy the old order, but building one is a lot harder.
By arresting and murdering protesters.
I’m skeptical they can do this en mass without emboldening resistance at first. Your need a well staffed group of people to deal with this in hundreds of sites and willing to kill people. For everything the MAGA movement has done, they’ve never given a positivist vision for the future. Which is to say, what future are we creating that makes it worth killing people.
None of my critiques should be read as they can’t do it. Rather, these are strategic points at which interference could undermine their efforts.
As for blue states, I think most will gesture towards being offended greatly, but fail to create an effective opposition. I do think a couple will attempt a hot resistance. And if, say, a Pacific front opens, this could be difficult to deal with. Furthermore, pockets of resistence within red states will be very, very difficult to stamp out. Our large geography makes it very difficult to command and control.
I don’t think ICE, even as well funded as they are, have the trained pedosnelle or institutions to replicate anything like a military force. Hell, out military isn’t even well designed to be an effective occupation force.
While the whole world is focused on Epstein files, thinking it’s going to be his downfall (why would it?), he’s replacing the leaders of many institutions with yes men, that emergency meeting Hegseth had calling in all the military generals should honestly be the most alarming thing in recent US history, and yet we aren’t even a quarter of the way through his term.
Kinda hard not to be alarmist
As someone who voted for her, she can fuck off.
She won’t get the nomination. At most just maybe make some noise during the convention. Pretty sure the DNC has already decided to force Newsome though.
Yes we don’t need to know this, she flopped so hard against a convicted felon.
I will splinter the two party system into a thousand little pieces. Mark my words.
Please. We need election reform.
Kamala, with all due respect, please get mental health treatment for your apparent psychopathy.
JFC don’t. We don’t even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.
AOC would be a stellar choice IMO, but 90% of the 1% would probably be against her, and that’s about half of all the money in USA.
Social democracies in Scandinavia work DESPITE being undermined by the rich, so the political shrewdness and tenacity that would be required of her is insane. She would need a lot of backup from the population, and the population will need patience.Because rebuilding the institutions in USA to their former standard is already a lot of work, but rebuilding them to the standard of a proper social democracy is something USA has never seen before, and will be very difficult.
For starters it requires USA to become an actual democracy instead of the dysfunctional democracy that USA many Americans praise as divine and sent from heaven. A multi party system is a must for true democracy, and until USA has at least 8 parties represented in congress, it is not really a functioning democracy at all.I say this as someone who loves AOC and what she does…
If AOC runs, she will lose.
That’s just the state of the nation right now. The only thing America hates more than women is a progressive. The culture of the country right now is way too volatile. The country just isn’t ready for a female president. Not because a woman can’t do it… but because the country is way too far gone with sexism and misogyny.
It was a long shot when Hillary ran, it was long shot when Kamala ran. If you think it’s not a long shot now after the MAGA crowd has been systematically destroying everything… and you want to run a Berniecrat woman? At this time? In this country?
I think you are right, and I also think it would be better for USA to “normalize” and find its center first.
Then AOC will have better chances of actually accomplishing something.Now we can only hope (as a foreigner) that USA will normalize, and not become a dictatorship.
Hey, keep away from AOC, we need her to take over Chuck’s Senate seat. The rest of you can have her after a term or three, she’ll still be plenty young enough to run, and maybe by then the country will be ready to vote for a woman for President…
From an outsider perspective, I think unless you get AOC now there’s not going to be much of a country left for another round sometime later… Bernie has spent his whole life with “maybe on the next one”. It will never be on the next one.
How about they both run in the primaries in a democratic process?
Age Of Cowtron?
you thought kamala was bad? AOC would TANNKKK the dems
I hate how true this is. She’s popular with Millennials but that’s about it. The vast majority of democrat voters prefer conservative establishment candidates, and they think she’s too extreme.
Where is this bullshit coming from? Conservative establishment candidates have been what keeps losing, if they’re not already an incumbent.
Please don’t.
nah, let her.
it’s time they had a proper third party down there anyways, the democrats are fucking useless
I agree the Democrats are useless, but the only time in modern history a third party has gotten any measurable percentage of the popular vote is when Ross Perot ran as an independent and got 19%.
Teddy Roosevelt got 27% in 1912 with the Bull Moose party. Not sure if that counts as modern history.
It’s true that a third party candidate would be a major long shot but fuck it, what do we have to lose?
What do we stand to lose? Try fucking everything, when the republicans easily win against a fractured DNC and America slips even further into fascism.
But the DNC is already entirely ineffective. We are already losing every single time we vote for either major party. Even when the Dems are in office, they appear incapable or unwilling to accomplish meaningful progressive political objectives, so we are slipping further into fascism anyway, no?
This has been the status quo for generations already, how long does it have to continue before we cut our losses and make a risky gambit? I just don’t understand what you think the DNC is protecting us from, because in my view they are also part of the problem.
I stand corrected.
who is in her circle telling her that this is a good idea? Does she not have any close friends who can speak plainly to her?
You would think having lost to an actual piece of shit would be enough of a reality check. Just stop… ffs. The best thing Kamala can do is fade into obscurity like Al Gore.
If the Democrats run the same platform/campaign as they did before she’ll lose again.
Democrats REALLY need to get it through their thick skulls that the days of campaigning on working alongside people across the aisle are over. that the days of uniting a country are over. Remember, the other side has already KILLED democratic politicians. they even KILL people on their own side they don’t agree with.
they need to take the position that while a certain group of people will never support them, they’ll still work for them but not with them.
It’s almost like they’re losing on purpose…
The off-the-books cash must flow.
the establishment dem platform makes 100% perfect sense when viewed through the lens of them being controlled opposition.
that won’t change unless progressives can get enough seats to control the party’s purse strings
No.
Fuck off!
