Democrats hope to use the government shutdown standoff to extend health care subsidies while Trump shows no signs he is willing to negotiate.
    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      33·
      7 days ago

      Everything left of themselves are radical to Facists. Alex Jones got a lot of leeway back in Bush days because people thought him being against Bush meant he was closer to center, but it was the opposite. Bush wasn’t terrible enough for Jones.

      Same with Fuentes and Kirk really; groypers attacked TPUSA mostly for not being racist enough to Jews.

  • GreenBottles@lemmy.world
    44·
    7 days ago

    I’m still waiting to see who these ‘radical left democrats’ are… cuz I’m more left and radical than ANYONE that’s elected currently. I don’t understand how that doesn’t just get old…

    • Joeffect@lemmy.world
      317·
      6 days ago

      You’re not radical or left enough to have gone all the way around to being extremely right… it’s like a circle…

      Edit: people obviously didn’t get the joke 🤷‍♂️

      • Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        Horseshoe theory is bullshit.

        The original spectrum is based on seating arrangements of the French ruling body after the revolution. Maybe that’s not a good model to begin with.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        1·
        6 days ago

        No it’s not. The political spectrum is two-dimensional not one dimensional. You’ve got radical left and radical right on one axis and then you’ve got authorian and libertarian on the other axis. Their can be, and has been, authoritarian left wing leaders. Trump is right and up. They’ve gone left and up, they haven’t gone in a circle.

    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world
      25·
      6 days ago

      Yep, and that’s why Trump declared (specifically) antifa as a terrorist organization. Anyone that he wants to say is antifa, is now antifa.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        23·
        6 days ago

        They could never really be a terrorist organisation, they spend most of their time arguing with each other.

        • alekwithak@lemmy.world
          6·
          6 days ago

          First of all infiltrating these groups and causing infighting is the oldest trick in the book. So if this isn’t your full-time job, then familiarize yourself and stop giving free labor to fascists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

          Second of all, who? Who are you talking about? Antifa is not an organization, not a group, there are no members. It’s like labeling Swifties as a terrorist organization, do you understand? It is not an organization, it is a blanket term for a subset of people who like Taylor Swift. Antifa is just a blanket term for anyone who opposes fascism. So yeah, they could never really be a terrorist organization, because first they’d have to become an organization.

  • drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    41·
    7 days ago

    Government is starting to break down. Officials are being arrested by ICE. This really feels like the pot is so ready to boil, which just sucks for the average Joe trying to get by.

    • BigFig@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      7 days ago

      Pots been boiling for years, the right just put a lock on the lid like a pressure cooker.

      • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
        131·
        7 days ago

        And took the knob, and sold it to Russia. They’ll sell us a new knob, but it just spins on the axle, occasionally turns red hot, and yells banal insults at you.

  • ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    16·
    6 days ago

    That’s hilarious. They weren’t even demanding anything substantial, like the abolition of ICE or the removal of National Guard troops for cities. They staked their claim on budgetary issues related to healthcare… and Trump couldn’t even stomach that.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
      13·
      6 days ago

      Because he’s a brainless goblin that thinks that in any situation there has to be a winner and a loser, and he has to be the winner or he would be the loser. So if he doesn’t think he can win a situation he will refuse to engage in it, because he has the emotional maturity of a 4-year-old

  • gonf@lemmy.world
    141·
    6 days ago

    Oh, the idiots who wouldn’t even endorse Mamdani? Yeah, good job shitheads, go against the will of your own voters to try to stay on better terms with the worst people, who won’t even work with you.

  • Kokesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    6 days ago

    Isn’t he aiming for government shutdown since the beginning? After all he wants to be Orange Shitler.

    • pjwestin@lemmy.world
      24·
      7 days ago

      I know that was Schumer’s excuse last time, but I’m not sure that really adds up. The federal courts can still fund themselves for a few weeks after a shutdown. Also, the lower courts are slowing Trump down, but the Supreme Court is consistently ruling in his favor. If anything, he should want the courts to be running as quickly as possible so he can keep appealing and getting the Supreme Court to overturn all the restrictions the lower courts are placing on him.

      Plus, while ICE is being designated an essential agency and ICE agents are expected to fulfill their full duties during a shutdown, they do it without pay (and get back-pay when the shutdown ends). That’s not a big deal for a week, but if you stretch a shutdown out for a month, that starts to hurt. I’d like to see how loyal Trump’s dogs are when they’re not getting fed.

      • BanMe@lemmy.world
        31·
        7 days ago

        Schumer said after the fact, or his underlings leaked, that he knew public perception last time would have favored the Republicans even more as a result, as they successfully blamed the shutdown on Dems. But now he no longer sees this equation that way.

        I’m not a big fan of his right now but I like to at least hope that level of strategy is actually happening

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          Schumer said after the fact, or his underlings leaked, that he knew public perception last time would have favored the Republicans even more as a result, as they successfully blamed the shutdown on Dems.

          I’m not buying this narrative. After a solid year of democrats insisting that biden was pressuring netanyahu behind the scenes when absolutely nothing of the sort was actually happening, I place no faith at all in any assertion of what’s going on behind the scenes. This is a post facto justification of actions schumer took because he wanted to. If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt here and accept the “public perception wouldn’t be with us” narrative, the best I can say is that he’s a spineless amoral windsock who is utterly incapable of leadership.

          But now he no longer sees this equation that way.

          He’ll find some new excuse to cave. It may take time. He might actually go through with it this time, but it won’t last more than a week and there will be zero concessions for ending the shutdown.

        • pjwestin@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 days ago

          Strong leadership can shape public perception, so if that’s true, it’s just a further indictment of his inability to lead. I have to assume that Schumer thought Trump wouldn’t be able to get enough House Republicans behind his bill, and had no plan for how the Senate would respond if he did. It’s the only possible explanation for why he would let every House Democrat take the position that the shutdown would be preferable to the bill, then make them all look like idiots a few days later. I don’t think there’s any strategy happening here.