You can't really say "I'm only fascist leaning". Either you are or you aren't

  • Vampire [any]@hexbear.net
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    “alt right” is a simple rebranding of “racist”

    I’m not exaggerating. Look how it’s used. Most of them aren’t even economically right.

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    THANK YOU. This is an easy way to tell if you’re dealing with liberals: do they put modifiers in front of “right” or “capitalism”? (Even the term “late capitalism” comes from a lib IIRC.)

    As for me, there is no acceptable amount of rightwing. I’m so leftwing, I don’t even make right turns when I move around. I just keep turning left until I get there.

    • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      I really like late stage capitalism. It implies that capitalism itself is cancer, and it’s the terminal kind. It’s the part of the illness where organs start shutting down.

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      If I’m talking to someone that is not a leftist, I will absolutely use modifiers because they distinguish using them.

      You’re absolutely right though. There is no acceptable amount of “right”. I made that mistake when I first interacted here by using the term “extreme” when I meant to say “unchanging in the face of evidence”. As in, an extremist. I’ve learned a lot since then though.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Alt-right was a way of laundering fascists. I think it’s a self-identified label though. Initially it was 4chan idiots who read too much Nick Land (any amount of Nick Land is too much). They wanted to be racist but without the connotations of stagnant American white boomer evangelicals.

    The word woke is getting laundered too. At this point it just means gay or trans. People claiming they’re against woke ideology might as well call themselves homophobic.

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I think it’s useful in sifting out the different roles each play in maintaining class rule. The respectable faces trying to sell to us on it versus the militants who’d bitterly defend it as it wavers. It’s not that simple ofc, but it’s more useful than “pit fodder”.

    • TrashGoblin [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah, there’s no amount of right-wing that is acceptable, but there are amounts that deserve the gulag/reeducation camp, and amounts that deserve the wall, and it’s sometimes worth distinguishing.

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    I’m glad they’ve mostly fallen out of fashion. They’re fucking fascists, and those that aren’t are so sympathetic to fascists that it amounts to inviting a fascist to the table anyway.

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    I never liked “alt right” because it describes “alternative”

    Bro. How the hell is LITERALLY THE MOST BELOVED IDEOLOGY IN THE WORLD AND THE MAINSTREAM PARADIGM THAT ONLY THE HIGHEST IQ INDIVIDUALS EVEN HAVE A HOPE OF QUESTIONING an “alternative”

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      I think it does speak a bit to what modern conservatism is, though. They don’t want a perpetuation of the current status quo, even though that status quo is pretty damn right wing - they want an upheaval that will make things worse in almost every respect. The only difference between the “alt” crowd and the up-and-coming conservative leadership is how openly they profess their love of Nazis, since it’s still not considered okay to do that by most people (unless the Nazis were Ukrainian).

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I agree with you on your examples, but right and left are relative terms.That’s why being “ultraleft” is bad, and why it’s good to be to the right of an ultraleftist (though that isn’t to be in the “right wing”).

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netBanned
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    I would say there’s an acceptable amount of conservatism. Monogamy, religion (even though I think it’s stupid), lifestyles. And even then, this conservatism is usually based on what’s considered “liberal” and not necessarily tied to any ideology. But proclaiming yourself to be “right wing” means fetishizing these traits and becoming a caricature

    • Traditional small “c” conservatism was just about wanting to raise your children the way you grew up, it doesn’t really exist anymore. When I grew up cops dressed like mailmen who drove clearly marked sedans and you could walk across the southern border. Now the cops look like soldiers and the border has saw blades on it