The prophet Vegeta is disappointed that you even have to ask.

By evidence of my other comments to this post I enjoy mocking Israel. That being said; Israel is an extension of US interests. We often confuse the interest of the working class of the US as being “the US”.

The “dogs” of the US for Israel are not the the capitalist class of the US. Their interests very much align with those of the Zionist state.

The material interests of the citizens of the imperial core are of no interest to an Imperialist state with no working class movement to resist it.

My point being. Israel is not the cause of the degrading conditions of the US. It is a result of the strong bourgeois dictatorship we live under.

It’s important to understand the material reasons for why our country keeps supporting a genocidal project. Especially, as we see a shift in the “scapegoat” move from immigrants and Muslims to include other groups as well. It’s important to know that there is no “scapegoat” (duh that’s the meaning of the term but I digress). The US is doing exactly what it’s ruling class sees as the best for its material interests.

So, do not fool yourself into thinking the empire of the US is making a good or moral decision even if it does distance itself from Israel in its words. Israel IS the US. They are not different from one another. There is no puppet master controlling US policians. The material interest of the ruling class align with supporting the Zionist project that is an extension of US imperialism.

ADL or APAIC. These are just methods for US capitalist to fund their interests. These organizations aren’t “controlling” the US. They are their to ensure the interest of this colonial project are met.

Some may say it isn’t real.

The breed was promised to them over 9000 years ago by the prophet Vegeta. You’re really letting your antisemitism show.

Yeah I’m not reading all that. You’re going max autism to ignore a very simple point that started with JD Vance making a vague statement about how “talks” end wars.

You can nitpick all day. But it’s a garbage reason to attack JD Vance. Proven by the fact that literally only this click-bait article is talking about it. And I’m not wasting my time reading an essay from someone that doesn’t understand that.

There are a thousand better reasons to shit on Vance and I have no reason to care about an exhausting conversation like this. Especially when you can’t get that very simple point from my initial comment.

I swear people are being purposely obtuse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender

There is literally a picture of the surrender being signed mate. You don’t have to be a politician to do diplomatic actions for your state. This is all that I’m referring to. Wars end with agreements. No matter what you want to call it. Surrender, Treaties, Truce, etc.

No matter how you want to nitpick if it’s a “not a politician” or whatever else you dense idiots can’t get through your skulls.

Also, ad hominems are when someone insults a person in order to AVOID addressing their argument.

You can call someone an idiot AND address their argument. Which is what I’m doing. It’s not an “ad hominem” everytime someone insults you. Get a brain.

that’s not nit-picking. Reaching a surrender IS DEPLOMACY. I swear to God people think it’s like a video game and you kill the main boss and all the henchmen lay down their arms. That’s not how wars end.

So your response to my comment about this article being nitpicky about terms like: treaties, truce, agreements, etc is to be more nitpicky?

Everything you mentioned had some form of diplomatic talks that ended active fighting (or lead to withdrawal of hostile troops).

It’s just odd. You don’t need to reach to make JD Vance look stupid. There are plenty of things to shit on him for. But saying “diplomacy is what ends conflicts” is not really one of the things he’s said I’d disagree with.

Thanks! Hate with a passion how we have to login to read anything these days.

Watched the video but article is login walled and I’m not doing that.

Was there more to what he said? Because he’s just making a point that wars end with treaties being signed. Wars don’t end with the death of a single leader like Hitler. Germany literally didn’t surrender until a week after his suicide. These things do end with treaties and agreements. It’s what actually gets troops to stop fighting.

Japan surrender is a more direct example from WW2 he could be referencing too.

But maybe the article explains it more?

I think JD Vance is a moron. But I’m really not seeing what’s wrong about him saying wars end with agreements from both sides to stop fighting. Germans, Japanese, and Italians exist today. We didn’t just kill them all to end WW2.

Again, that’s all I heard him reference in the video. Maybe there is more.

Edit: Someone linked the archive link so I could read it. Thanks.

Article is nitpicking what he said. Sorry, I don’t want to defend JD Vance. I really don’t. But an unconditional surrender is still an agreement and negotiation between the sides. It’s just a case when one side has nothing left to negotiate with. It’s not at all counter to the point he was making in that talks and agreements between sides need to occur to end the fighting.

One major agreement of an unconditional surrender is that the troops that disarm won’t be slaughtered by the other side when they do.

Just an unopened bottle of smallpox.

I’m sure this is tongue in cheek. But for those that don’t understand; fascism is not to be confused with socialism because of “state ownership”.

Socialism isn’t when “the government owns stuff”. Historically fascist have used the power of the state to ensure the corporate interests are met. That is what is being done currently.

This is not a “state ownership” that gives control to the working class. This is a use of your tax dollars to ensure the value of a private corporation increases. This is a common and historical part of fascist movements. It is a move that confuses those uneducated in class conflict.

If you are not looking at actions like this from a lense of class conflict you will be confused. It’s important to understand who benefits from these types of things when “the government does stuff” and what class interest are being enforced.

If you grew up in a world that has only ever been neoliberalism (as most of us have) it can be confusing. You have not been given the tools to understand the class conflict. Because it is beneficial to the ruling class that you do not understand, or even become aware of these contractions in the first place.

If we ever get a government again hopefully “assets” of the all of the capitalist class will be used to build a new democratic rule for the working class. There are a lot of debts to be paid to the people that built this country. Descendents of slaves and natives of this land especially deserve it. But the entire working class from the undocumented farm worker to the white hillbilly will benefit from a redistribution of this nations wealth to those that actually produce it.

Thought this same thing when I was listening to a playlist that included this song from Woody Guthrie today. As a Georgia born deep south that is anti-fascist I am sad what has become of this whole country. Where are my anti-fascist hillbillies?

https://youtu.be/VwcKwGS7OSQ

Edit: This guy is my modern hillbilly mocking the fascist.

https://youtu.be/OjGHf7OvglM

Or my favorite from him:

https://youtu.be/8E9l_i6HPYM

Edit2: never read the comments until now but holy shit there are a lot of clueless people that don’t get his lyrics are critical of Trump and America. Like actually amazing how many people think “join ICE” is literally pro ICE.

I guess it’s “Love me, Love me, I’m a liberal” for the modern era.

I agree. Ironically it’s hitting hard with a lot people that stopped watching it and came back for the Trump stuff.

The ironic part being that it’s funny to people because of nostalgia and not really the jokes I think. Because it’s really fucking lazy imo. Like, is the Sadam/Satan and using that voice anything but just trying to hit the “remember this” really hard? Its not creative or really making a point. Though people try to act like it is.

South Parks previous mockery with the 'member berries could literally be used to criticize how a lot of liberals are taking “comfort” in it. Seeing it as a “this too shall pass” and that we’ll somehow return to normal in 2028 or something.

I have no problems with people that enjoy it. But it’s not funny to me AND i see it not moving the needle at all in getting people to do anything to resist these fascist. So I really can’t appreciate it on literally the two things people act like it’s doing.

The method is flexible. But for some reason some kind of red flag is always there.

No, we just stopped caring about schools. We treat it like a hurricane that we can do nothing about. It’s gross.

You’re seeing the CEOs die because that’s new. Not because the other stuff stopped.

Yeah, calling the fascist doing fascist things as “socialism” is definitely not something that a party in Germany did in the 1930s.

Why should we care if they like or dislike what we call them? No one is trying to convince the Nazis.

Putting a hammer and sickle next to Trump is an insult to the number one Nazi killers in history.

Socialist are the number one killers and fighters against Fascism in history. And second place isn’t even close.

Trump using the government to increase the value of corporations is only “socialism” if you completely ignore everything that Marx or Lenin ever wrote.

This is just more “socialism is when the government does stuff”. Zero understanding of class conflict and interest.

Because you’re imagining a system that is discrimating.

Our system for gun ownership is less restricting than the one we have for being able to drive a car.

Mental health is a problem. But we can look at mental health problems for other similar nations and still conclude: damn, these people shouldn’t be able to get a gun so easily.

I am pro gun. But our laws around guns are just asking for the brain broken white supremacist to go shoot up a school/church/grocery store.