Sucks bro. What domains does addy.io hand out? Is it all like foo@addy.io or do they have different ones with .io TLD?

We definitely need to get more people running NOT @gmail.com. Thank you for your service. 🫡

YES! Nextcloud is actually kinda good. I was skeptical for a long time, but I’ve changed my mind recently.

If you don’t want to self-host (I’m not there yet, it seemed like a pain at first glance), then there are 2 online hosting providers that I’ve used recently.

• nubo.coop fully manages Nextcloud for you, you just use it as a normal SaaS
• northmail.ca also Nextcloud as a service, same as Nubo

Nubo is in Europe, while Northmail is in Canada.

They both offer email, notes, calendars, contacts, cloud file storage. Nubo also offers a tasks app, while Northmail doesn’t yet.

I’m in the US, so Nubo was a little slow for me. I’ve been using Northmail for about 1 week now. Northmail’s Nextcloud instance is faster for me. Northmail also uses a way more recent version of Nextcloud. Nubo’s Nextcloud is pretty old. Northmail is also offering 100GB for $0.99 CAD per month, which is way more than Nubo.

I had to move off Nubo because my bank doesn’t do international wires.

If Northmail adds Nextcloud Tasks, then I will have everything I want from Northmail!

we’ve seemingly been duped into working for free to increase the company valuation and therefore shareholders’ capital – with the possible intention of selling the company or otherwise monetizing the project.

Ah, are they considering a rugpull?

Cool! Maybe I should give them another shot. I definitely like the idea.

How do updates work with WOW computers? Or does the software just never get updated? Or do you just update the computer for him every now and then? What distro is this using underneath?

Nice. Hosting on a LAN+VPN is probably what I would do next time. I tried deploying on a public cloud with 2GB of memory and I started receiving memory usage alerts almost immediately on an empty instance with everything disabled, except image previews. I didn’t want to rent an even more expensive instance. I bet it runs great with a ton of memory and CPU.

I signed up! They’re running Nextcloud 30.0.8.1.

I mean, it does what it says on the tin. Compared to Nubo’s Nextcloud deployment, NorthMail is running a newer version, they accept credit card payments, and it seems to run faster.

They don’t have Nextcloud Tasks enabled though… 😭

Sync easily across devices using the NextCloud app (iOS, Android, PC).

Ah, using Nextcloud, huh. Neat!

Damn, I think I’m gonna have to try this out. After my experience with Nubo I discovered using Nextcloud ain’t that bad.

(I tried deploying Nextcloud with the AIO image for like 1 hour and quickly noped out of that situation. I’m down to pay someone else to deal with that mess.)

Yeah, but hhhhhoooowwww??? 😭

… What was your idea and the response?

I tried using Privacy a few years ago, but 1. a lot of websites block Privacy’s prepaid debit card numbers and 2. I ran into a spending limit.

But, the ease of use was nice. Not sure if things have changed since then.

Brother! 🍻

😆😂🤣 Uuuuhh… Aaaah… I normally generate a random password and use it as my username for most services. Like even my bank.

This is because I’ve realized the username is mostly useless and is just a handle for my account. It doesn’t matter to me if my username is jsmith, meow123, or kekxbek. In fact, it’s easier if I don’t have to come up with something novel or cool. Either way it goes in my password manager, so it’s not like I have to even remember it.

I’m a real boy. I promise. Not a malicious bot.

Although… If I were a malicious bot, that’s exactly what I would say! 😲

Very cool! Thanks for sharing!!

Yeah, it definitely feels out of place.

On the other hand… it is kinda nice that tasks and notes are offered in WebDAV because I don’t have to maintain yet another service for each of those.

If I weren’t the one maintaining these instances, then sure I’d say launch one service for calendars, one for tasks, and one for notes.

My use case is I want to write text and I want that text to be synced from my phone and laptop. I want to deploy the minimum number of services. I don’t care about any text editor features as long as I can write text and read it.

I’ve already deployed Radicale and I’d rather not have to maintain anything else.

I realize I can deploy something else just for notes, but I really don’t want to maintain something else.

FUTO specifically allows you to derive value from a project like this:

You may use or modify the software only for non-commercial purposes such as personal use for research, experiment, and testing for the benefit of public knowledge, personal study, private entertainment, hobby projects, amateur pursuits, or religious observance, all without any anticipated commercial application.

You may distribute the software or provide it to others only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes.

Yes, it’s a different set of value than Open Source™ gives you. Again, they’re not claiming to provide the same value as Open Source™. (They’re also not trying to replace Open Source™.) Yes, it’s not the value that you want. Yes, that’s by design.

Do you also think, what’s the point of Google Search, Windows, WhatsApp, YouTube, Instagram, etc if you can’t derive any “value” from it, where “value” means Open Source™ value? Those apps are still insanely valuable to users, even if they don’t get Open Source™ value from them.

Thanks for posting this! I use WhatsApp Web, so seems like this may cause me problems…

Ooooh, wait. I think I understood one of your points better now…

I done (don’t?) own the code I contribute. Technically meaning if you contribute code, and use that snippet in a commercial context, again, your in violation of the license.

So, I think you’re saying, what if you contribute some code to a source available project, maybe some boilerplate that’s the same everywhere, and then you use that same contribution in a commercial product? Then you’d be in violation of the source available license? Is that what you’re saying?

This seems like a good reason NOT to contribute to a source available project, which is totally fine. Whereas this is possible with GPL if you 100% own the code and didn’t sign a CLA.

However, not all projects are “I want everyone to pitch in and I want everyone to own the project.” There are lots of projects where 1 dude or 1 company want to retain ownership of their app and don’t need or want outside contributors. Normally, they’d probably just be closed source—maybe they might consider being source available.

(Just as long as they don’t pretend to be Open Source™, in which case fuck them.)

Ah, shit. Aaaaaaaaand I’m off Nubo. They only accept bank wires as payment. My bank in the US doesn’t allow international wires… so… i’m SOL.

OK, well. That concludes this experiment. Thanks for watching. Don’t forget to like and subscribe. And I’ll see you in the next one.