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  • Most Linux users never use anything CLI

    Indeed but I’m not talking about “most users”.

    Why would Linux phone users use CLI?

    You want to automate something with a script or want to create some workaround for something.

    But (what I said is that) all of that you can get in various Linux distros too

    Sure, but these distros aren’t the go-to choice of tinkerers. As I said for the normal Ubuntu user LineageOS is completely fine. “Proper” Linux phone’s target audience are Arch, Gentoo, Void,… users.

    the basic difference for devs is Google/Android SDK

    For devs sure but “tinkerers” aren’t always devs. They can just start as someone who just “pokes” into their system and eventually dives deeper, or stays forever at the “fix a thing here and there” level. In my opinion you don’t get this granular spectrum of skill. You either are an Android developer (be it Android app or Android system developer) or Android user. Maybe that isn’t true but the original topic was “why Linux phones when AOSP forks exist” and I think “tinkerers” might think this way about Android.


  • I honestly did not give much thought to the difficulty of pulling such attack off. With “not sophisticated” I just meant that it’s not complex to grasp. “You just have to pretend to be a different person”. I guess yeah that is pretty difficult.

    Yeah I mean it’s often said that any second factor is better than just password so it’s probably not a big deal. My issue is mostly that it’s an attack vector that could easily be eliminated. For example if banks allowed third party 2FA apps. I think I’ve read somewhere, that some banks even only allow hardware keys for business accounts which is honestly absurd.



  • xbps-src is both a tool to build official packages from source and a way to install Void’s “official AUR packages”. Meaning packages that are maintained by Void/Arch devs but for whatever reason do not belong to the main repository. That’s the only way it’s comparable to the AUR.

    But saying that xbps-src is like the AUR is very misleading because it lacks the “U” part. Official AUR packages are only a small part of the AUR.






  • The “know it better” is, I think, a big argument, that’s imo often a bit overlooked. Android does not have that much “tinkers” as “proper” Linux has. For the average Gnome DE @ Ubuntu user, Android forks are fine. But if you’re the kind of person, who optimizes their Arch system with cool scripts from Github, you won’t get the same experience on LineageOS. I know Termux is a thing but that feels more like a workaround.

    Edit: Had to reword the comment, because people thought I was talking about malware and supply chain attacks.

    Edit2 to clarify my point: I think big downside of Android is that if you want to tinker with it, you basically have to be an android developer. With “proper” Linux the barrier to entry is smaller and the learning experience is more granular. Hence why we think “we know ‘proper’ Linux better”.



  • CLA is basically a requirement for any larger scale open source project. It would be mental to add a “this single edited line is licensed under X license” to every tiny commit. Microsoft’s CLA does not tranfer rights btw, it just licenses your contribution to M$ under “basically BSD 0 clause license” terms.

    I guess sure they could do a ragpull but it does not make much sense. Reasons:

    1. they have open sourced it themselves

    2. It’s made by M$ for M$. They don’t have competition in the Windows space, so there is no point to hide the code.

    Also what would be the worst thing that could happen if they did that? You would either use a fork, because WSL2 is basically feature complete at this points, or you would be have to use a proprietary app on a proprietary OS. Imo the licensing of WSL specifically is the least of Windows’ issues.






  • Stallman’s usual take is “Yeah sure you can sell it, as long as you respect the 4 freedoms.”. So I don’t think selling Free Software is against the spirit of FOSS. The issue is rather that the Free Software is against the spirit of selling because realistically you can sell it to one entity which can then just make 7 billion copies of said software. At that point it’s no longer financially viable to sell it for you.

    I also think that the majority of people creating Free Software would be fine with someone else selling it. Remember how much permissive-licensed software is out there. If authors really cared, they would have licensed the software under GPL, but instead they even allow it to be used with commercial licensing. Obviously I’m not taking away your opinion, but I don’t think your opinion represents the majority of FOSS.




  • I know what kind of projects you are talking about, I just think it’s kinda pointless to talk about “shifting focus” when 99 % of focus has already been shifted since forever. The projects you listed are really just hobby projects. It’s kinda like saying people should stop working on “alternative” init systems and they should instead work on systemd. People working on hobby project won’t suddenly shift to professional projects, because that would kinda ruin the hobby.

    I see so many people here on Lemmy who are desperately waiting for Linux phones to replace their iPhones or Android phones

    In my opinion it’s similar situation with the users. I think people waiting for Linux proper phones aren’t really waiting for a replacement for their Android phone, rather for a niche alternative for hackermen, like alternative init systems to systemd or Gentoo to Ubuntu. It doesn’t have to be a drop in replacement, it just has to do the job (calls, sms, internet, camera, usable battery life). Right now it does not even do the job.


  • unless they use my discord server to spread those views

    To me that’s not controversial at all and does not suggest in the slightest that he’s a fascist, National Socialist or whatever. And he isn’t creating “safe spaces” for these kind of people either. A safe space to me means a place where said people can express their (stupid) opinion freely, which Vaxry according to this statement does not support. Also I don’t have the exact quote but in a different episode of his blogpost saga he claimed that when some person was transphobic, said person was banned. So that would also be supporting evidence that he does not create safe spaces for bigots.

    If we’re talking strictly hypothetically, I’m a worse person than Vaxry because unlike me, he claims not to allow bigots to express their opinions in his dicksword server, while I am engaging in communication in a Lemmy community where being a fan of Mao or Stalin is allowed.

    In the rest of the article he presents nazism as an opinion people might have that you disagree with.

    He didn’t say anything about Nazism being an opinion you disagree with.

    He argues that his silent acceptance of nazis is the morally correct stance while inclusive communities are toxic actually.

    He does argue that his stance is morally correct but what you said is not his stance. I think the following quote implies the point he’s trying to make.

    It’s important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.

    I think his point is that him disallowing ostracising of people creates communities that tolerate all kinds of people including say, LGBT people. The Nazis would be collateral damage of inclusiveness, I suppose. I’m naming specifically LGBT, since in a different quote he’s talking about illegal things in Hungary, which is famously a highly LGBT-discriminating country in the EU:

    I stand by my stance that even if you are something that the country I live in disagrees with, you still are free to use, contribute to, and be a part of the greater FOSS community.

    Also part of his point is that just because someone claims some other person is a bigot, does not mean that’s actually true. The former person could just be lying or otherwise twisting the truth, therefore it’s important to be inclusive:

    They will try and find things that you do outside of your proffessional persona, or often infer, guess, meddle with, or lie about what you say and stand for.