Bro, fucking what??? Have you not seen the mass protests, mass strikes, walkouts, mutual aid networks popping up, increasing pressure on elected officials, mass counter-surveillance, etc??? TF you mean Americans “won’t” act when it’s already fucking happening? Or are you one of those edgelords that thinks open armed rebellion is the only real form of action? You legitimately might be online way too much. Go outside, spend some time in the real world.
Look, I acknowledge and appreciate the very real truth of armed resistance being a necessity in the event of a full fascist takeover, but we’re still not there yet. The republican(not the party) institutions are still in place and the American government very much so still exists as a non-fascist democratic-republic, but yes, the fascists are encroaching. To give legitimate, organized armed resistance would dramatically accelerate a fascist takeover and then we would have no other choice but to resist via full Rebellion. That is the absolute last option for reasons even beyond the pure and absolute devastation of war, which should be reason enough. To have a fighting chance as a Rebellion, you need the networks built up, which is what is happening now through these protests and mutual aid networks. You need public opinion on your side, this is being built up by the outrage response to brutalization of peaceful demonstrators. With strong enough public opinion, the military is on your side, being made up of the public. More demonstrations = more demonstrators = stronger networks built for resistance movements. This all takes time. So even if we’re playing by doomer rules as if the American government is already a lost cause, the current action by the people is necessary.
However, in the world of politics in the struggle to prevent a fascist state, all these movements have the primary purpose of enacting social change within the confines of the current system. Overthrowing the current system would necessitate mass armed conflict with a very uncertain outcome. An outcome that will very certainly have a worse short-term outcome due to the conflict and instability, and could easily have a worse long-term outcome if resistance movements prove to have weak cohesion. Generating enough political capital in the movements forming and acting today have proven many times in the country’s history to enact good and lasting change without armed Rebellion being necessary.
As much as fascist scum absolutely deserve being literally curb-stomped upon their appearance, these political movements don’t exist in a vacuum and we have to navigate the egotistical and fleeting opinion of the general public in order to effectively drive out fascism. We can cry out all we like about the public acting too soft toward fascists, but that, unfortunately, plays right into their hands.
Other than boycot, sold my american stocks at a loss, provoking cowards to act I can’t get in the shit hole country though.
It’s not my country, but if it were, there’s a lot of unmarked graved here where nazi scum has rotted. There’s always room for more… Since americas president is threatening to invade my country’s territory, your fake ass opinion means nothing to me.
Since americas president is threatening to invade my country’s territory, your fake ass opinion means nothing to me.
Umm… what? What does the actions of the head of state have to do with the opinions of the people of said state? That doesn’t make any sense. That would be equivalent to me meeting a regular ass Russian person and saying “PUTIN IS DOING AN IMPERIALIST INVASION OF UKRAINE AND THREATENED TO NUKE MY COUNTRY, SO YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING TO ME!” The Russian people aren’t responsible for the things their government does. That’s why I always make sure to be accurate in pointing out that it’s Putin and the oligarchs doing the imperialism, not [all] Russians. I meet a Russian actively supporting Putin and his imperialist ambitions? Yeah, fuck that guy, then. But, in my personal experience, I have yet to meet a single Russian person IRL that didn’t fucking hate Putin. It’s almost as if people have lives independent of their state of residence and those that run that state.
So maybe redirect your anger at those who earned it? Something tells me that might be more constructive than directing your anger at random people for arbitrary reasons.
I know that I should have sympathy for all the americans too scared and/or stupid to act. Same with Russians.
I have been raised to believe that if you have a dictator taking your democracy and killing people, and you’re not fighting in a way that actually matter, you might as well be helping them.
Maybe, maybe that would be true after 10-15 massacres and the third cancelled election… Maybe.
Does that mean you think the 1860’s thing didn’t count as a war either? Because AFAIK, elections were never cancelled.
It only means that I think americans have become so docile, they will do anything but act.
Bro, fucking what??? Have you not seen the mass protests, mass strikes, walkouts, mutual aid networks popping up, increasing pressure on elected officials, mass counter-surveillance, etc??? TF you mean Americans “won’t” act when it’s already fucking happening? Or are you one of those edgelords that thinks open armed rebellion is the only real form of action? You legitimately might be online way too much. Go outside, spend some time in the real world.
Yeah, I’ve seen signs, walking and commenting…
Works every time against fascism.
I know you’re implying that it never does, but it actually has. It’s harder, for sure.
Be the change you want to see in the world, numb nuts. Defeatism is fucking retarded.
Even if it were my job, do you really think I could get into the country?
It’s up to americans, but they don’t like to admit, that they’re to scared. Defeatism is fucking retarded. What you read is lost faith in americans.
Chicken pussy.
Look, I acknowledge and appreciate the very real truth of armed resistance being a necessity in the event of a full fascist takeover, but we’re still not there yet. The republican(not the party) institutions are still in place and the American government very much so still exists as a non-fascist democratic-republic, but yes, the fascists are encroaching. To give legitimate, organized armed resistance would dramatically accelerate a fascist takeover and then we would have no other choice but to resist via full Rebellion. That is the absolute last option for reasons even beyond the pure and absolute devastation of war, which should be reason enough. To have a fighting chance as a Rebellion, you need the networks built up, which is what is happening now through these protests and mutual aid networks. You need public opinion on your side, this is being built up by the outrage response to brutalization of peaceful demonstrators. With strong enough public opinion, the military is on your side, being made up of the public. More demonstrations = more demonstrators = stronger networks built for resistance movements. This all takes time. So even if we’re playing by doomer rules as if the American government is already a lost cause, the current action by the people is necessary.
However, in the world of politics in the struggle to prevent a fascist state, all these movements have the primary purpose of enacting social change within the confines of the current system. Overthrowing the current system would necessitate mass armed conflict with a very uncertain outcome. An outcome that will very certainly have a worse short-term outcome due to the conflict and instability, and could easily have a worse long-term outcome if resistance movements prove to have weak cohesion. Generating enough political capital in the movements forming and acting today have proven many times in the country’s history to enact good and lasting change without armed Rebellion being necessary.
As much as fascist scum absolutely deserve being literally curb-stomped upon their appearance, these political movements don’t exist in a vacuum and we have to navigate the egotistical and fleeting opinion of the general public in order to effectively drive out fascism. We can cry out all we like about the public acting too soft toward fascists, but that, unfortunately, plays right into their hands.
Wow.
Wow, what? Go ahead. Try and say something meaningful to back up your response.
Yikes.
I quoted the ever wise NoTagBacks, who seems to know how to stop fascists. Here it it for you to:
You guys are only proving my point.
If only you were American, you could magically take care of the vast number of challenges with whatever violence you think should be happening.
It’s okay to admit that you’re to scared TrickDacy.
It’s okay to admit you’re a fake ass keyboard warrior who wouldn’t do a goddamned thing but expect others to do it first.
Other than boycot, sold my american stocks at a loss, provoking cowards to act I can’t get in the shit hole country though.
It’s not my country, but if it were, there’s a lot of unmarked graved here where nazi scum has rotted. There’s always room for more… Since americas president is threatening to invade my country’s territory, your fake ass opinion means nothing to me.
So, something stands out to me here:
Umm… what? What does the actions of the head of state have to do with the opinions of the people of said state? That doesn’t make any sense. That would be equivalent to me meeting a regular ass Russian person and saying “PUTIN IS DOING AN IMPERIALIST INVASION OF UKRAINE AND THREATENED TO NUKE MY COUNTRY, SO YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING TO ME!” The Russian people aren’t responsible for the things their government does. That’s why I always make sure to be accurate in pointing out that it’s Putin and the oligarchs doing the imperialism, not [all] Russians. I meet a Russian actively supporting Putin and his imperialist ambitions? Yeah, fuck that guy, then. But, in my personal experience, I have yet to meet a single Russian person IRL that didn’t fucking hate Putin. It’s almost as if people have lives independent of their state of residence and those that run that state.
So maybe redirect your anger at those who earned it? Something tells me that might be more constructive than directing your anger at random people for arbitrary reasons.
I know that I should have sympathy for all the americans too scared and/or stupid to act. Same with Russians.
I have been raised to believe that if you have a dictator taking your democracy and killing people, and you’re not fighting in a way that actually matter, you might as well be helping them.
What a psychopath
Should I have sympathy for dead nazis that invaded or betrayed my country?
Don’t be a party pooper. Nazis are people who don’t respect pronouns and civil wars are when people yell really loud.
You live with your head in the sand, coward.
Oh, you called me a name. Im so changing my mind now…