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- usa@midwest.social
Minnesota resident Will Stancil is a lawyer, policy researcher, and onetime candidate for the state’s house of representatives who has long been a voluble progressive presence on X and Bluesky. Over the past week, Stancil has become a mainstay of citizen patrols, tracking ICE agents around the city in his Honda Fit and sharing his experiences with his 100,000-plus followers. On Friday, I spoke with Stancil about what he has witnessed over the past few days.
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Do the videos we’ve seen — of violent arrests, of agents deploying flash-bangs and tear gas on bystanders — capture the full extent of what’s happening?
No. In the private rapid-response channels, people will share many, many videos, and they don’t want to bring them public because they don’t want to be identified. People are worried. So there’s lots and lots more private stuff that is never circulating. The other thing is I think it’s really difficult to capture. The last few days have been calmer. But for the first week or so, it was really hard to convey the unrelenting pace of this stuff. I had a journalist come ride along — he just published an article about it. I had been talking about how crazy it was, and I could tell he was a little bit skeptical. He thought, Okay, maybe we’ll see an ICE car. In a two-hour ride, we chased four ICE convoys onto the highway, saw someone violently abducted alive in front of us, then saw a separate ICE convoy tear-gas a major commercial intersection for no reason at all. In two hours.
We have these rapid-response channels. I mean, I got to the point where — and this is very difficult to do — but I got to the point where I mute them or turn them off or leave them when I come home in the evening because getting the constant updates — as much as I want to be informed of my community, if I’m not out there and can’t do anything about it, I am a raw nerve all day and night. I come home and I just have to lie on the couch and just shut everything off and shut my brain off because you’ll go insane hearing about what all they’re doing.
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This is what a US American civil war looks like.
It will officially be once Waltz orders the state national guard to defend the city from ICE. Which is why he doesn’t.
He’s walking a knife edge right now. MAGA is looking for an excuse to go fucking crazy violent and suspend elections, and Walz doesn’t want to give it to them.
We’ll see what happens AFTER the Midterms. Whatever the outcome, MAGA will use it as an excuse to crank up their violence, and I doubt governors and mayors will continue to be as accommodating.
They’re going to cancel midterms anyways. And if they don’t and we win a few seats, they’re not going to recognize it. Why let this drag on when it’s actively causing harm to millions every single day?
NO, they will not cancel Midterms. We’ve never cancelled an election in American history, not even during the Civil War or WW2. That is a BRIGHT RED LINE that they will NOT be permitted to cross for ANY reason. Non negotiable.
Respectfully, who is going to enforce that they happen? It certainly won’t be the government
The Black Panthers?
He is not going to do that. I like Walz but that isn’t going to happen.
Minnesotans are modest but hard as nails. Don’t bet against it.
What would be the point? Trump can just instantly federalize them and then use them against you.
Anyone who thinks we’re getting out of this through some kind of military action is delusional. We don’t have the resources to stand up to the military and the massive police state in this country, that’s just a fact. That’s not even include all the wingnut traitor militias out there.
If we ever get back in power then we need to strip the presidency of most of its powers (after we destroy maga and their billionaires and media apparatus via the DOJ) and return control of the NG back to the states.
The president shouldn’t be able to seize those units unilaterally without permission from the state governor/legislature. That defeats the entire point of having state militias.
WHY would we DO such a Thing as PUNISH MAGA when we Need HEALING and PEACE!
-Democrats who said They had Enough Information to Jail Trump during Biden’s Term but chose Not to!
Kronstadt is the point.
When do we, though?
WhenOnce it’s clearly over already? Then, we can “bet against it”? When it doesn’t fucking matter anymore?Tough as nails that are currently getting hammered into silence, more like. 🤌🏼
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Minnesotans are out in the street daily. It is the democratic leadership I have no faith in.
Fair enough. 🥲
i don’t know what news you’re watching but minnesota is literally resisting harder than any other state short of maybe California
In what way is California resisting ICE harder than Minnesotans?
Already passed laws against masked and anonymous ICE, alongside a governor that at least speaks with a spine. Far as I can tell, most states don’t have enough establishment leadership that opposes ICE.
Still not enough IMO.
You’re kidding right? The guy who rolls over like a dog for Ben Shapiro and mourns Charlie Kirk speaks with a bigger spine than Tim Walz?
Nah, Gavin Hug-a-Nazi Newsom ain’t got shit on Tim Walz. Not that Walz has been vocal or proactive enough IMO.
I’m not answering your question because I literally never even said that
Literally speaking, you literally did say those literal words, literally.
I mean, you did.
I’ve read it three times now, and I can’t reach any other conclusion. Is it the “maybe” part, which can be construed as a no?
Maybe not when their political career is on the line.
That’s what I don’t get. There will be no politics when this is over if we don’t fight. What career are people trying to save.
The same one corporate boardrooms do. The ones that can’t look past the next quarterly report, the one that sacrifices the middle class and the biosphere for safe profits. The same one that shortsightedly sacrifices the future for the status quo, the status quo that requires no loss other than the creeping one you can ignore.
The state national guard can become federalized in a moment if Trump says so. Don’t count on them being any help unless they’re willing to disobey orders.
I’ve been advocating for months now that blue states need to get their state guard going.
It’s like the national guard, but entirely run by the state. It cannot be federalized. The downside is that they often share membership with the national guard and often get their training through the national guard and federal military branches.
You think the feds will just let states beef up state guards now? It’s too late for that. And it would take years for anything meaningful to happen.
Americans were happy to give the president all kinds of insane powers over the last 80 years, and now we’re dealing with the consequences. Some of the worst shit Trump is doing is actually legal (def not all of course), thanks to braindead chauvinistic Americans in this country, who’ve always loved empowering strongman figures and law enforcement.
9/11 exposed how ugly and hypocritical the true American “spirit” is. That’s when many of these powers were born, especially the stupid ICE and border bullshit.
What you need to do is to organize among the working class and create a militia.
You are always looking for someone to solve your problems for you. Nobody is going to solve this one except the working class.
Not realistic either. They’re already treating leftist NGOs like terrorist organizations, and private militias are technically illegal but those laws are conveniently not enforced against the far right (people have already tried to create leftist militias), so any attempt to do this would have to be fully underground. And you are up against the world’s most advanced military and police state, so good luck with that.
We’ve dug ourselves a real hole in the US, none of this stuff happened overnight. I don’t see a way out of this other than sustained political and civil resistance as seen in Hungary, who haven’t succeeded yet even after 20 years.
Yeah, there have been a few instances of that happening. Notably, it happened when the governor of Arkansas tried to use the national guard to bar black students from entering a (recently desegregated) white school in 1957. Eisenhower federalized the guard, and ordered them to protect the black students instead. And the governor was forced to watch as all of “his” troops (who were already on the ground and ready to work because the governor had called them in) about-faced and started following the POTUS’ orders instead of his. It backfired on the governor pretty spectacularly, because they wouldn’t have been in place to enforce the desegregation unless he had ordered them to be there in the first place.
And Walz isn’t dumb. He undoubtedly knows that story. He doesn’t want a repeat of that, where he calls in the guard, then has them turned against him.
Eisenhower, the last non-evil Republican president.
The US has never had a non-evil president from any party.
Eisenhower orchestrated the 1953 Iranian coup, overthrowing a democratically elected government, and installed an authoritarian, US-backed puppet. He also overthrew the democratically elected government of Guatemala at the behest of a banana company (United Fruit, now Chiquita).
Every new Republican advances the evil, because it’s never punished.
Every US President does shit like that. At some point you have to draw a line because it’s not helpful to just proclaim them all evil.
They are all evil.
Unhelpful. There are degrees of evil.
I just had a horrific thought that old tricky Dick Nixon may actually end up inheriting that title just because of how bad everyone after him has been. Like compared to Trump the war on Drugs ain’t fuck all, and compared to Bush jr Vietnam was practically a peace operation.
Not a war when only one side has weapons shooting and murdering
What’s happening in our country is a political genocide. Us citizens that don’t agree with the administration are getting hounded by federal masked agents. I’m just glad in my relatively unpopulated and very dem area I have yet to see ice or any nonsense. The “city” I live in wouldn’t qualify for a small town in neighboring states so I get a bit shielded from all the crap going on, but I fear that means I can make no meaningful impact before it’s too late because by the time they come for small America there won’t be an America as we would like to know it.
They will come for you too. You need to organize. Join (or form) a union. Arm yourself. I am not joking. Check the IWW for resources.
IWW is a work union isn’t it? I work automotive we don’t get rights like that lol. Only thing I can think effective is to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Protesting around here seems a bit like preaching to the choir, not sure what else I can do in my area.
But, the “other side” is brandishing free speech, equal rights, fair wages, safe housing, and more! 😭😱
Radical equal rights! Selfish democracy!
It’s just a good start.