• Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 days ago

    No, but I really don’t care, and I don’t really get people who do. Like your brain read it and understood it very easily, it’s not like I’m misspelling something where your brain has to put in extra work to figure out what dreme means or something. At least for me my brain just reads it “out loud” in my head where there, they’re and their have no differences.

    Legit question why do you care? Does it make it more difficult to read or understand?

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        7 days ago
        1. Not everyone without a formal education is a trumpist, and looking down on them like that is classist and part of the reason we lost the election
        2. Using the right there is not a sign of a good education, good critical thinking skills, reasoning, eloquence and rhetorical skills do. Especially by college professors give less of a shit of whether you use the right your then if your argument is strong, well backed and makes sense.

        The only thing using the wrong there shows is that you’re not an AI.

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          7 days ago

          Not everyone without a formal education is a trumpist…

          Yep. I went to work in a shoe factory at 17. No higher education myself but I can still muster an effort to use the correct word.

          …looking down on them like that is classist and part of the reason we lost the election

          Now, that is a point where I totally DO agree with you, however with the current administration, it seems as if it is actively pushing for the public to turn its back on as much education as it can… which is a far more evil and pernicious form of classism than calling out grammatical errors.

          The poorly educated vote time and again for people like Trump… Who leverage their poor education and lack of economic competitiveness and use their rage and frustration to cement themselves into power.

          The current “blame the immigrants for taking your jobs…” mantra is of course bullshit, most Trumpists aren’t going to pick crops in 100 degree heat, lay down roofing shingles in the hot Arizona sun, scrape shit out of bedpans in a nursing home…

          Those are the jobs they “lost” to immigrants?

          They weren’t chosing to do that work in the first place which is why the immigrants came to do it. The racist nature of America’s immigration policy guaranteed that undocumented folks would fill that gap.

          But back to education and classism…

          If the current adminsitration is working with a segment of the billionaire class that has been undermining educational standards and dumbing down the country for decades, (and brother, has it!) it’s well past high time to fight back with brilliant arguments delivered in the best language possible.

          Again, I haven’t been to college, and if the assumption is, because of my language skills, that I have… well, thank you!

          My, that word soup you’ve got there in response sure is interesting.

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            7 days ago

            I’ve come to the conclusion that this is a personality difference between “judging” and “perceiving” in the Myers Briggs sense. You seem to be solidly on the judging side of the spectrum while I’m pretty far on the perceiving side. Neither is “correct” which leads to arguments like this, judgers are annoyed by perceivers for their laziness and perceivers are annoyed by judgers for their pedentry and chauvinism.

            Again neither is right, so the best thing to do is be aware of this difference and try to avoid the things that annoy people. Perceivers need to try to not make those grammatical errors and judgers need to not call them out for it.

            On the political side yes we should be making the best possible arguments in the best language when trying to bring others to our side, I’d say my original comment wasn’t trying to do that, just an offhand remark but either way. Along with that we should avoid calling out and judging people for the language they use, as long as it’s coherent and not offensive, as that alienates people.

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              7 days ago

              Agreed! Not to get to off tanget, have you heard of Elle Cordova? - she is one of my favorite creators.

              I can appreciate when someone uses language well.

              What I find is that people hear what they want from politicians and a good linguist can cut through the noise and point out what the pols are actually saying.

              Before the election, Trump was saying that he was going after criminals, and the people that voted for him who were in the immigrant and latin communities were hearing that and thinking gang bangers and robbers… not realizing that undocumented people were also criminals in that they had broken immigration law.

              No one wanted to hear it and I was out screaming at the top of my lungs this was going to come down like it was as Trump is a dyed in the wool racist. Was told I had TDS… Really? Trump Derangement Syndrome isn’t half as perilous an affliction as Trump Delusion Syndrome, in that the Hispanic Trump supporters thought he actually cared for them.

              Now, they’re getting harased and detained by ICE because they’re not white.

              TDS indeed.

              The racism, that’s old news actually - he got it from his father who was even more barefaced with his bigotry. There’s a reason that President Eisenhower loathed Fred Trump, aside from scamming government funds for Veterans Housing, which used to build houses to bare minimum standards of quality and design for the times than pocketed the rest. He also redlined neighborhoods and took funds for public housing and used it to build homes in tonier neighborhoods which he sold for handsome profit. Fred Trump was an evil man. Out of all his children, he did the most damage to Donald.

              The fruit did NOT fall far from that particular tree it grew on.

              Please do check out Elle Cordova’s work, it’s delightful.

              Regards,

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                Oh yeah, I’ve seen her before, my gf shows me her tik toks, didn’t know her name or that she was on YouTube, will have to check out more of her stuff.

                I agree the lawyers that dominated, and still do to some extent, politics for the last half century did use very tricky language to disguise what they were actually going to do. Trump though doesn’t really do that, take for example Venezuela, he’ll either blatantly lie: “they’re sending fentanyl” or be blatantly honest saying the quiet part out loud: “we’re going for the oil”.

                Even for immigration trump wasn’t really hiding behind an implication that criminals meant murderers and rapists, he was explicitly saying they were only going after the murderers and rapists and just lying to his constituency.

                Trump just doesn’t have the brain to come up with the weasely stances the ivy League lawyers have been using in the past. His statements are very direct and simple with little room for interpretation. He’s using lies rather than language to trick people.

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      7 days ago

      People who learned English as a second language may find it hard, especially if they predominately did so from written sources.

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      7 days ago

      Legit answer: yes, it does make it more difficult to read, because it immediately derails my thought process as I get distracted by the lazy writing I’m presented with.

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        7 days ago

        OK, but do you get distracted by my use of legit instead of legitimately or the tons of other things we all do that simplify things but deviate from “the kings English”. Yeah it’s lazy but you understand it and that’s all that matters, to me at least.

        What would you say to a person replying “is it that hard to say legitimately, just type one extra letter and your auto complete will do it for you”

        Also out of curiosity would you say you’re “judging” in the Myers Briggs sense? Maybe this is just down to a difference in personality.