Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Kolvet on Saturday said Charlie Kirk’s surgeon called it an “absolute miracle” that the bullet that killed him didn’t exit his body because dozens of people were standing behind him when he was shot.
“I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I’m usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn’t an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know,” Kolvet, the executive producer of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” wrote in a lengthy post on X.
Uh. No one was standing behind him.
And where was this miracle when all those people were killed around Trump? Did they get medals and statues?
I knew it. I knew Charlie’s Mom was special.
They 100% are going to use this to try and make him a Saint.
He was 🤏 this close to becoming a Catholic.
But he wasn’t. So he’s unlikely to be granted sainthood.
Won’t stop these mouth breathers from trying.
It’s so fucking weird the way they are idolizing him and his death.
Flags at half-staff, people losing their jobs, AI videos of Kirk with Jesus, bills proposing bronze statues of him, and now “his neck miraculously stopped the bullet and saved innocent bystanders”?
Like I know they don’t really believe any of it, but it’s still so weird. It’s getting to be like North Korea levels of kooky.
This is their Blutfahne, their Blood Flag. It’s mythmaking - you just have to get people outraged enough and they’ll believe pretty much anything they’re presented with. I truly believe they had all this in the tank for when Trump keeled over (actually I think they were drawing this up before he nearly bought it in Butler PA), but martyrdom is a POWERFUL force, especially in a critical mass of people who are primed for martyr culture in the way the largely-white-supremacist-flavored American Evangelical communities are. The GOP is pissed that nobody successfully took a shot at Reagan, either Bush, or Trump I, so now they’re latching on in an attempt to get SOME gas on the fire before it burns out.
With that logic, God could have stopped it a few inches sooner, but chose not to.
Could have deflected it by few inches and saved him but apparently the guy behind was more worthy of a miracle.
I guess its RIP for Charlie “Tiny Face” Kirk.
Wonder if the Epstein files are thick enough to stop a bullet
As a commemoration release the files and copy them to Mythbusters this.
Redacted, they are two thin pages.
The flesh of some dweeb’s neck ain’t stopping a .30-06, that round would have near decapitated him.
Maybe a pistol caliber, maybe sub-sonic pistol bullet would stop in his flesh, but not a rifle round.
That kid didn’t shoot Charlie. That kid is the fall guy.This is literally physically impossible, by the way, to make comport with the current official story.
There is 0 chance a 30.06 round fired from 150 yards would stop ‘just under the skin’.
A 30.06 at 500 yards can blow apart the bones of an elk or moose.
Literally 0 chance that what is being described is physically possible.
From what I’ve heard in the endless discourse from unverified sources, he was wearing plates because he was afraid his new stances on a certain topic would get him killed, which is why the sniper went for the neck
What you’ve heard is wrong.
You would have been able to see the outline of plate armor imprinting under his clothes.
Instead, you can see his nipples poking through his fairly thin white shirt.
Would make sense, not going to watch that video again to double check.
Its been bad enough that I’ve had to spend the past five or so years navigating the internet between ethnic cleansings (there are multiple currently happening, West Papua is being bombed as we speak), war crimes and police killings.
I’m sure it’s doing wonderful things to the brains of the people actively watching
Not only that btw, but the armor needed to stop a 30-06 is NIJ level IV rated, like these. Thick bois. Not only could it have taken out a moose at 5x the distance, at that distance it would have blown through level III plates, much less soft armor that’d be concealable. And none of that helps when the round hits your unarmored neck lol.
I have also seen videos of guntubers actually testing the same caliber and range, against a level 4 plate, and they aim the shot at the top edge of the plate, such that it could maybe kind of plausibly do the internet theorized ‘it bounced off his plate into his neck’ test.
Yeah, the top chunk of the plate breaks off.
Not even level 4 plate is guaranteed to totally stop a 30.06 at such a close range.
And we… would have seen a chunk of plate blowing off in the up close, higher res videos.
True, it’d have to pretty much be a square hit especially at that distance (but it is rated by the NIJ to stop two 30-06 black tips, supposedly at 15m.)
Lol, add a tactical phonebook, just to be safe.
Have you seen the ballistics gel videos on YouTube? The entire human head explodes
Yes I’ve seen it, but that is from a shot hitting roughly dead between the eyes.
Yes, that is what a 30.06 would do had it entered there… but what we are being told is that it entered around where the neck meets the shoulders, on Kirk’s left side of his neck.
When bullets of sufficient energy hit a human head, the head tends to basically crack like an egg.
The neck / clavicle region would not… explode to quite that same degree, but the wound should be larger for a 30.06, roughly at least the size of a soft ball should be completely blown out of his neck area.
Yeah should be a spectacular exit wound, especially so if it hit bone like the doctor claims?
Yeah.
So… this means…
Either it was actually Robinson who took the shot, but not with a 30.06…
Or… It wasn’t Robinson, and there was another / different shooter, Kirk was not actually shot from the front, the blood geyser was an exit wound, not an entry wound, again from not a 30.06, but with a smaller caliber and different bullet trajectory, where the bullet could actually have made the neck geyser wound, and then lodged itself not too far away, near the skin … and Robinson is being set up as a patsy…
Or, whoever this surgeon is, is lying.
Or, the TPUSA person claiming some surgeon said this, is lying.
EDIT:
It is also probably worth mentioning that uh, Netanyahu denied Israel was involved in the shooting… before anyone made that accusation.
Because we all know everything Israel and Mossad does is above board, totally morally perfect in all ways.
Netanyahu’s response comes after MAGA commentators have claimed Kirk was privately far more critical of Netanyahu’s Israeli government than he let on publicly.
See, nobody of major prominence on the right wing had actually said ‘I think Israel killed Kirk’ before Netanyahu denied killing Kirk.
What people on the right were saying was that relations between Kirk and some Israeli donors had gotten tense in the days and weeks prior.
… But nobody had actually directly said or implied that Israel killed Kirk… but Netanyahu felt compelled to deny that, explicitly.
And just in case anyone reading this needs a refresher on how words work:
Israel != All Jews
Anti-Zionism != Anti-Semitism
Also, most American Jews are uh, you know, highly critical of Israel’s ongoing genocide… its white evangelicals that have a hard on for Israel, by way of hating Muslims, and the destruction of Israel being necessary for their apocalyptic end times prophecy.
Also also, Tiktok is currently ablaze with a mass religious/spiritual psychosis trend of many American Christians believing the rapture, the apocalypse, is going to happen on… this upcoming Tuesday.
Mhm. Yep. This all seems very normal.
I heard someone else say they saw people claim it was happening on Tuesday.
Matthew 24:36, 39, 43-44
[36] “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. [39] and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. [43] But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. [44] Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Republicans and Democrats agree: Charlie’s body is fantastic at stopping bullets.
Is this a right wing phenomenon?? More studies are required!
Toilet paper USA confirms that God wanted Charlie Kirk dead so he could use the event to show of his powers a little.
Also confirms that Trump was not miraculous, since his ear didn’t catch the bullet that instead went on to nail the guy sitting behind him.
Since that wound healed perfectly in about 4 days, we know it was just strawberry jam and a bandaid. The ear didn’t come close.
Trump has trained in the art of blading with his wrestling tenure
Wait for real?
Corey Comperatore was killed by the perpetrator, but I could not confirm it was by the same bullet that injured the ex-President. It was in the same salvo of bullets.
True. It probably wasn’t, then; if it had gone through Trump’s ear it would have had Trump’s blood on it, and therefore would have healed Comperatore instead of killing him.
Based on what I’ve heard of the properties of Trump’s blood from his doctor, at any rate.
To be fair, killing Kirk probably did save some lives
I thought all the blood was gushing out of the exit wound.
A .30-06 round at 150 yards didn’t exit his body. Right.
Haven’t watched this frame-by-frame take on the ballistics, but I would think a 30.06 would blow half his neck off. There is a frame I looked for while skimming, and oh yeah, his neck expands.
First time I shot a 30.06 my buddy and I were drilling holes in 3/8", high quality steel. Looked like we used a drill press, wasn’t even jagged on the exit side.
Correct, the scenario we are being presented with, with this latest detail, is laughably impossible, if one has any experience with shooting this caliber.
Not implausible.
Impossible.
A straight on shot from a 30.06 at 150 yards, yes, would have blown off a chunk of his neck at least the size of orange, a soft ball.
It is completely impossible that a 30.06 would have just stopped barely under the skin, stopped by a collar bone or vertebrae.
A 30.06 at 150 yards makes entire cinder blocks explode.
No human bone can withstand this intact, none, full stop, this is not a question, a 30.06 at 150 yards has approximately 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy, more than double that of 5.56 at the same range, any human bone a 30.06 hits from 150 yards away would shatter and explode within the body, the bone fragments tearing through the body, probably also erupting out of the skin.
And before anyone comments this: No, Kirk was not wearing body armor, you would have been able to see plate armor on his chest leaving tell tale imprinting signs with that light shirt he was wearing, and you can just literally see his man nipples through the shirt.
Anything less than level 4 plate would have been blown directly through by a 30.06, it would not result in a ricochet into his neck as I keep seeing people say.
(And realistically, level 4 plate might not even hold up to a 30.06 at that range.)
Most of right wing gun tube is currently extremely pissed off over this ‘news’, as … they tend to shoot targets on video for a living.
And anyone can go right now and watch them show you how impossible this described scenario is.
This is absolute horseshit, it is an obvious lie.
My immediate assumption was that it was 5.56 or 2.23. No analyzing it in the moment I saw the video, just seemed reasonable at the time. Didn’t notice there was no obvious exit wound.
If you showed me that video for the first time and said, “The round was a 30.06.”, I’d laugh in your face.
The facts the FBI has presented are laughable on many points. If this guy has a solid lawyer, I can see him sowing a shitload of doubt in the minds of the jurors. As it stands, with what I know in this moment, I’d let him walk. This evidence is far too smelly to be beyond reasonable doubt.
Anyway, I’m off to finally watch that video.
My initial guess was .270 or .243, out of a common bolt action hunting rifle.
Now, I have no fucking clue what has actually happened, all I know is the narrative the government and admin connected right wingers are going with is impossible.
Steve Bannon, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones are all calling bullshit on this as well.
Not that I trust them as reliable sources, but large parts of the right are not buying this either.
If you are going to watch the video, up close, and you have PTSD or cannot handle gore well… fucking be ready.
I had a legit PTSD panic attack watching the fucking geyser of blood leave from his neck.
Its fucking bad, if you’ve ever seen anything like that in real life.
EDIT
Also, another whole fucking weird oddity is that Robinson’s family has not actually gotten him a lawyer.
Robinson is still, right now, trying to get a public attorney assigned to him.
Yeah, thats right, he does not even have any legal counsel at the moment.
Since these kinds of people love to shoehorn divine intention into everything, what does that specific case mean?
That Kirk was the only person there that God thought needed to die?
Because he was so pro gun violence, it’s great this bullet is designed to mushroom, carom off the skeleton, and do a little Fantastic Voyage through his interior systems, eviscerating everything in its wake.
I mean if it deformed enough to curve into bone I’m pretty sure we don’t call it a miracle we call it fluid dynamics.
Either it didn’t, and this is a lie, or the bullet that hit Kirk was not a 30.06 from ~150 yards.
Somebody is lying here.
Yes, lower caliber rounds can and do actually do what is being described.
Not a 30.06. A 30.06 will blow apart a cinder block at that range, easily.
A 30.06 at 150 yards has about 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy.
A .22lr pistol round is much more likely to do what is being described here… even from less than 50 yards, you’re talking more like 100 FT/LBs of KE.
A 9mm at less than 50 yards? Around 250 FT/LBs.
5.56mm? At 150 yards? ~950 FT/LBs.
Again, a 30.06 at 150 yards is ~2200 FT/LBs.
The actual physics of fluid dynamics and composite materials do not work with the scenario we are being told happened.
You know who is well known for covert assassinations with .22LR rounds? And preemptively denied involvement?
I actually don’t know that, what is your answer?
The Mossad, Israeli special forces
Awesome.
Wonderful.
I love this timeline.
… God damnit.
I’m not a expert, but I know a fair amount. I haven’t really gone into any detail examining this though, nor have I kept track of any theories. This guy was familiar with firearms and experienced. I would bet he had access to a loader. Is there a possibility this was a custom load with much less powder than you would normally have? I don’t know how little energy you can give a 30.06 and still have a predictable ballistic profile.
30.06 only describes the size though, technically not the amount of energy. Usually rounds will have approximately the same energy, but it all depends on the load.
For a 30.06 round to be packed with so little, or such degraded powder that it would not penetrate through human bone at 150 yards, to even stand a chance at doing what the surgeon has described, it would need to have a KE of roughly less than 200 FT/LBs at 150 yards.
You typically only see that kind of wound behavior when the rounds invovled are roughly at or less than that amount of KE, either low powered pistol rounds, or moderately powered pistol rounds that have travelled a significant distance, or rifle rounds that have travelled a very, very, very significant distances… or from rounds that are actually ricochets and have thus already bled off a lot of energy, and also likely mass.
What is being described is a straight on shot where the bullet stops ‘just under the skin’, presumably against the collarbone, possibly against a vertebrae.
No wacky internal terminal ballistics trajectories, no shattered bones, nope, just a bit of skin and soft tissue in the way, under an inch.
Also, no body armor, just a tshirt, no one has yet claimed officially that the shot ricocheted off of either armor or the ground or a wall or anything.
An average 30.06 bullet weighs ~180 grains.
To achieve only 200 FT/LBs of energy in that weight, you are looking at about 700 feet per second of velocity.
The average KE of a normal 30.06 round is around 2,200 FT/LBs at 150 yards of travel, has an average muzzle velocity of about 2700 feet per second.
A normal 30.06 round will have bled off maybe 300 to 400 fps after travelling 150 yards, from air resistance, down to 2300 to 2400 fps.
That means our theoretical underpowered, 180 grain, 30.06 for this scenario has to have a muzzle velocity of around 1000-1100 feet per second, less than half what a 30.06 typically does.
So, there, it would have to be a roughly 1/2 to 1/4 as much powder loaded, potentially also just less potent powder, as compared to a typical 30.06 180 grain round.
Sure would be neat if any of the casings with the messages etched into them…were, you know, photographed, and we could see those photos?
As far as I am aware, no pictures of the shell casings and or unfired cartridges have actually been published.
Hand loaded or custom loaded rounds usually have a number of tell tale signs you can use to differentiate them from factory rounds.
Anyway, reduce the muzzle velocity that drastically and you also drastically reduce the accuracy of the shot.
That likely is not even enough speed for a 30.06 to stabilize in flight, it would be tumbling over or around itself, ‘yawing’, not remaining stabilized, on point.
The most underpowered 30.06 rounds I am aware of, without going into custom reloaded rounds…
(which no one has yet even officially posited at all, and which there would be physical evidence of, reloading presses / crimpers, and powder stores and such, but they already searched his home and didn’t mention any of that)
… are managed recoil training rounds, which fire a 125 grain bullet at approximately 2175 feet per second of muzzle velocity.
Thats about 1300 foot pounds of KE leaving the muzzle (thus between roughly half and a third the recoil, thats why they are training rounds), and after 150 yards of travel, it would have about 830 foot pounds of force, and be travelling at about 1725 feet per second.
Still roughly 4x too much energy to just be gently caught by a bone.
It is certainly possible, arguably even almost easy, for someone with moderate marksman training to make the shot Robinson is purported to have made with a normal 30.06 with a scope.
But uh, reduce the muzzle velocity down by more than half, and there is not a single sniper in the world who would tell you they could make that shot, on the first shot, in one shot, because they know how amazingly innacurate such a shot would be, no matter their shooting technique.
https://www.vcalc.com/wiki/30-06-springfield
Here, theres a bunch of ballistics calculators for you, if you wanna run all the numbers yourself.
I haven’t actually seen any evidence that there isn’t an exit wound. I more meant if the load could be low enough to not just explode his neck. That’s the one thing that we can actually know for sure right now. Anything else is just taking other people’s word for things that I’ve seen no evidence of, and seems incredibly unlikely even with a smaller lower energy round. Even a .22 isn’t going to have an issue going through a neck.
Short answer:
No, a 30.06 round that underpowered would not be capable of making that shot.
Longer answer:
The wound profile at that point doesn’t matter, thr shot itself is… not technically impossible, but absloutely absurdly unlikely to make an accurate hit on Kirk, on the first shot and only shot, if Robinson is the shooter, to Kirk’s front.
Also, I am not just taking peoples words for things.
I am a shooter. I have shot weapons. I have gone to different ranges, many times, with different weapons, and different targets.
I can also do the math to try to explain this in technical terms, to convince people like you, who have absolutely no experience with firearms.
I say you have absolutely no experience with firearms, because it is immediately obvious to anyone who does, that none of this makes any fucking sense.
I am just one of the rarer of those people who can do the math and the theory as well.
Here’s the idea:
The gushing neck wound we all saw?
That’s the exit wound.
Meaning, the round did not come from the front, it came from somewhere in the right to the rear of Kirk.
A normal 30.06 round, from the front, where the neck wound is an entry wound, that would have produced roughly a volume the size of a softball being blown away from Kirk’s neck, if not larger.
We have not seen any evidence of any exit wound, if the gushing neck wound is the entry wound.
Were the entry wound the neck gusher, from a 30.06, we should have seen a much larger chunk of flesh removed, there should have been blood and viscera spatter all across that white tent wall behind Kirk, on the ground behind Kirk, and probably also the interior ‘ceiling’ of the tent as well, possibly even on the people standing nearest him.
We should have seen this from basically any close in angle of the shooting.
It would have been apparent from the footage of Kirk’s body being rushed into a car to be driven to a hospital.
There is 0 chance that a normal 30.06 round would not cause a massive exit wound.
None.
There is also a near 0 chance a ludicrously underpowered, custom or massively degraded 30.06 round could have made ‘Robinson’s shot’, in one shot.
Please, go watch footage of guntubers shooting ballistic dummies or other things with a 30.06 to get an idea of how powerful this round is.
If the gushing neck wound is the entry wound, there should be a massive blow out exit wound, like, JFK level chunks of flesh blown off.
The caliber used to blow out Kennedy’s brain was of similar size and power to a a 30.06, from a similar range, if you go with Oswald took that shot.
In fact, that round, the 6.5mm x 52mm Mannlicher-Carcano, is smaller and less powerful than a 30.06, which equates to 7.62mm x 63mm in metric notation.
You’re being rude.
Also, I am not just taking peoples words for things.
I specifically said taking their word on there being no exit wound. I have seen no evidence of that. Only the word of someone.
I am a shooter. I have shot weapons. I have gone to different ranges, many times, with different weapons, and different targets.
I can also do the math to try to explain this in technical terms, to convince people like you, who have absolutely no experience with firearms.
I do have experience with firearms. I don’t have experience with a .30-06, or shooting people. I’m assuming you probably don’t either.
The gushing neck wound we all saw?
That’s the exit wound.
I don’t think you can know that. It hit an artery, which has high pressure. It will gush no matter what. It doesn’t matter if it’s the entry or exit wound.
A normal 30.06 round, from the front, where the neck wound is an entry wound, that would have produced roughly a volume the size of a softball being blown away from Kirk’s neck, if not larger.
That’s why I asked the question about the underpowered round.
The caliber used to blow out Kennedy’s brain was of similar size and power to a a 30.06, from a similar range, if you go with Oswald took that shot.
Comparing a shot that hits the skull to one that hits the neck is not remotely similar. To use your language, go watch some guntubers who shoot the fake skull ballistic replicas. Even small round create pretty dramatic effects when they crack the skull open.
I don’t disagree that it’s unlikely a .30-06. I was proposing a possible alternative that I don’t have the knowledge to estimate without putting a lot of effort in. I never made an argument it was the case. I proposed an alternative hypothesis specifically saying I don’t know if it’d make sense.
You’re being rude.
I don’t care.
From my perspective, you are being rude, with your immense ignorance about firearms and wounds generally, and not being appreciative that I am deciding to apparently waste hours of my time doing a lot of research and analysis that you likely are not capable of, in an effort to explain the answers to the questions and concerns you are asking.
I do have experience with firearms. I don’t have experience with a .30-06, or shooting people. I’m assuming you probably don’t either.
Evidently you have much less experience than myself.
No, I have not shot a person.
I have shot an array of pistol and intermediate rifle and high powered rifle cartridges though, out of a similarly diverse array of guns.
I myself do not even presently own a firearm, but, I grew up in a household that owned a good deal of them, and had ‘gun buddies’ who would allow us to use their weapons at various ranges as well.
Usually we would try to do some kind of even swap for fired rounds, or occasionally reimburse someone if one side chewed through a lot more, or a lot more pricey ammo than the other.
I have only myself shot 30.06 a few times, as I have a fairly thin build and frame, and the recoil is extremely unpleasant.
But I have certainly watched other people shoot 30.06, in person, spotted for them or did range callouts or whatever.
I don’t think you can know that. It hit an artery, which has high pressure. It will gush no matter what. It doesn’t matter if it’s the entry or exit wound.
See, I said ‘Here’s the idea’ to convey the concept that it is a theory.
If your only criticism of this theory is that I cannot be 100% certain of it, then congratulations, I guess you don’t believe in any empirically based theory of any kind.
Also, it matters a lot, actually, whether or not the neck gushing wound is an entry or exit wound, because that massivelt alters a forensic reconstruction of the trajectory of the fired round, and thus the position of the shooter.
You evidently did not go for Visual Calculus in your Disco Elysium playthrough.
As to the JFK comparison:
Yes, I know its a rough comparison, I’m trying to baby you through this because you have apparently never seen for yourself what kind of exit wound a 30.06 produces on a deer.
I proposed an alternative hypothesis specifically saying I don’t know if it’d make sense.
Congrats, it doesn’t, you can thank me for explaining why later, or never, your choice.
I think the range for total round weight is 55gr-220gr.
But based on what I’m seeing that doesn’t seem to effect the total energy much.
But watching it again, there was no shockwave in his skin either.
If they found the kid with a weapon chambered for 30.06, the 30.06 didn’t kill him. Something else, probably by someone else, killed him which something much smaller.
Or it wasn’t 200yards away and damn impressive shot for a much much longer distance
You know. I hadn’t thought about that. I’ve seen that round hit a deer, and my thinking before was that it instantly killed the deer sort of like Kirk.
But that hole was much bigger and it was knocked clear off its feet. Like it got hit by a car.
Kirk was still sitting upright and the would was far too small.
Yeah, I am enough of a gun nerd, and video game /software nerd, that I have actually made more than one milsim level ballistics simulations as mods or sort of toy models from which to then try and optimize down to something that could work in realtime with many players as a reasonably true to life ballistics and player damage / effects model.
And I’ve also shot a decent bit in real life.
I actually originally taught myself matrix algebra and transforms simply to be able to properly do richochets as a Source mod, way way back.
… Maybe not quite the same degree of fidelity as the people that code say, the actual material physics simulations used to model exactly what different tank rounds would do to exactly what kind of tank armor, how much spalling there would be…
But yeah.
The scenario we are being presented with is indeed miraculous, as in, it completely defies the laws of physics and is literally impossible.
Like, the reason world militaries went down from something like a 30.06 as a mainline infantry combat round, down to something closer to a 5.56 … is that a 30.06 is massive overkill when it comes to killing a human.
You do not need that much power, you rarely need that much range, that much recoil, you can down caliber and still be very deadly, but also now your soldiers have a lighter weapon, more ammo, and can more easily get off multiple, accurate, lethal shots in a shorter time frame.
You do not need your entire armed force to be equipped with roughly ‘sniper rifles’.
not in this country we don’t 😤⛪🙏
