I’m going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what’s right, what’s wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I’m an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there’s a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy’s pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I’ve seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what’s going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I’m genuinely interested in what you all think
I am absolutely done giving grace to these vermin. My energy is not limitless, and I’m saving it for people that matter.
I’m happy he’s not spewing hate anymore. However, I abhor how that came to pass and remain genuinely disgusted at the sick, bloodthirsty mob social media turns into when shit like this happens (or attempted happens).
I am very much not an “ends justify the means” kind of person and firmly believe that kind of logic is extremely dangerous.
How does this make me feel? Well, disgusted. Disgusted that there’s more gun violence in the world, disgusted that people are cheering it on, and disgusted with pretty much everyone’s knee-jerk takes on the matter. I can forgive celebrating his passing as dark humor / acceptable. I can even understand laughing at the schadenfreude due to the guy’s stance on exactly this kind of thing. But for people to be praising the suspect or calling for more is crossing the line into psychopath territory.
Again, the ends do not justify the means.
I can feel the other shoe is about to drop, and all these people salivating over the bloodshed are not going to be happy when it does. Violence begets violence, and people need to understand that and not be cheering it on.
This exactly.
I’m not sad about his death because he was an objectively harmful person, but I do feel pretty bad that this is how it happened.
A civil war is only going to hurt the US more, but it sure looks like they’re headed that way based on the online reactions I’ve been seeing over the past few years.
How can they be hurt more. They are no longer the country they were 8 months ago, not even a close approximation. They’ve flipped the script and then thrown the script in the garbage.
Outside of the Internet, where nuance still has meaning(for now), the US is largely populated by reasonable people that want pretty much the same thing. Which is to say, they want life to be better for themselves and their communities.
The steps on how to make that happen and who is at fault for the situation currently are debated at length, but widespread calls for real violence are a fairly recent phenomenon. It wasn’t like this a decade ago and they are cashing in whatever global goodwill they had at record pace, but outside of the admin, most of the people in the US are just people, with complex opinions and ideas. They aren’t the caricatures they appear to be online.
A civil war is going to throw basically everyone’s current life into disarray, leading to even greater instability, and misery as well as problems in policy both domestic and foreign.
It’s mathematics.
If you are responsible for more bad than good in the world, it’s not sad when you die.
To divide people, families, friends, colleagues, etc is exactly the point of what I consider to be a human sacrifice on the altar of the alt-right. Don’t worry, already got my tin foil hat ready but anything to take attention away from the real culprits of misery for most: the super rich, political “elite” and corporations
I’m scared about the blowback.
It was inevitable that eventually somebody would ‘fight back’ somehow.
Now we have to deal with how all the idiots act, react and overreact.
It won’t be pretty, but again, it was inevitable.
The day of, when it happened, I watched the video… and then had to literally touch grass, walk it off, get some fresh air.
Wife got home, wanted to see it, had the same reaction.
I just don’t like watching people die, no matter who it is. But now and then I gaze into the void deliberately.
I do not support political violence, be that direct or systemic.
He did.
I agree.
The reality is that he said intentionally provocative things as his means of making money. He said them to people who are known to be extremists. He encouraged a lot of bad behavior, he shunned kindness and embraced anger. He fanned the flame of extremism and he courted danger in the process.
That he was murdered by someone who disagreed with him cannot come as a surprise. Did he really think that you can play with fire and not get burned?
I don’t agreed with murdering anyone, and I firmly believe in free speech. However, he played a dangerous game and it was his undoing.
There is a limit to how far you can push extreme ideas before bad things happen.
Similar to Andrew Breitbart, or Rush Limbaugh.
“And nothing of value was lost.”
Someone spending most of their life trying to get people together and preaching love, tolerance and empathy getting assassinated, such as MLK, is a tragedy.
Someone spending most of their life doing the exact opposite of that getting assassinated, such as with Kirk, is not a tragedy.
I’m honestly tired. I’ve been having feelings of impending doom, and none of this shit is going to slow down. The divide gets bigger each day, and by the looks of our leadership, no one has a goddamn clue about what to do.
Nah, the “leaders” want to further that divide
Fight fascists but don’t shoot them in the face if you don’t have to because it will literally backfire.
I’m not a huge fan of anyone meeting this sort of end.
A little mixed feelings because on the other hand I have a bit of an appreciation of the context of a man that has openly consistently declared gun deaths as somewhat acceptable getting killed by a gun.
But ultimately, I would have rather seen him get his ass kicked or a few handgun bullets to the vest to give him some appropriate fear and consequences without him becoming a martyr. Ideally i would have liked him to just get scared into not actively trying to troll people the way he did. Further for it to be clear from the very first moment that it was MAGA infighting, to avoid the incident increasing an already strained division and maybe show the movement the dangerous game they are playing.
I won’t miss Charlie Kirk. I’m sad for the people who were there and witnessed a horrific public murder. I am exhausted and numbed to all this gun violence and I’m especially tired of the right wing bullshit about gun rights. I’m confounded and baffled by the bizarre depths of alt-right internet subculture. I’m profoundly disappointed and disillusioned by the state of the United States, but neither am I the least bit shocked. I fear for the deeper divide the next generation faces as fanatical parents drive their children to extremism as others quietly steer theirs towards acceptance, empathy, and inclusiveness.
Charlie Kirk was objectively a garbage human being. I will not mourn him. But nobody should be fucking murdered. The violence and hatred coming from the right is fucking insane and intolerable. We’re being led by sycophants, liars, sociopaths, and incompetent grifters hell bent on upending the entire structure of our ordered existence so they can rebuild it into something nightmarish and dystopian. We’re in the endgame now. The Democrats do not have a time machine.
Release the Trumpstein files!
I feel bad for everything his family has had to endure over the past 31 long years. I hope they find comfort in the knowledge that his days of actively bringing shame upon them are over and they can start putting the whole Charlie debacle behind them.
I treat charlie by his own views. Empathy is bad. A few deaths are just the price of having the second amendment. Families should bring their kids to witness public executions. Im sure I will find out more of his views but I definitely plan to judge him by his own yardstick.
