• VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com
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    What’s with the replies asking why she’s not carrying ID in NYC? Is there some reason why you need to have ID on you at all times on New York?

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      the reason is that the people asking are fascist asses. there is no legit reason to “need” an ID in any american place when out like this woman was.

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      It’s actually a law in certain states. In California you need an ID even for the officer with a bicycle infraction. This is New York though and I don’t know the particulars of the municipality.

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        California does not require a cyclist to present an ID to an officer when being cited for a traffic offense. However if they choose, an officer may arrest and hold you to verify your identity. Same is true with pedestrians.

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    Lesson learned.

    Don’t acknowledge cops, don’t look at them, don’t talk to them, avoid them, ignore them and don’t trust them.

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        I’m up in Canada so this stuff doesn’t affect me much … but I used to laugh at an old friend who used to actively avoid the cops. If he saw them up the street far away, he’d cross the street, turn into an alleyway or just turn around. If we were driving and he saw a cop car, he’d immediately turn anywhere and drive away. He wasn’t a criminal or anything, he just didn’t like police and avoided them. No matter the situation, if he saw a cop, he’d do everything to avoid even having the remote possibility of even interacting with the police.

        This was years ago and since then I’ve been like that too but not as bad … but as the world becomes more authoritarian these days, especially when police training even in Canada is to just have a pulse and be a white male … I’m avoiding the police more actively than before.

        My old friend Johnny was more right than I realized.

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          Canada has it’s share of bad cops, but it is nowhere near the thin blue line gangland of US cops. It’s fucking crazy down there. They are worse than mob gangs because you can at least pay the mob for protection.

          All these US cops grew up watching the Cops TV show and they see everyone as criminals and below them. They want so bad to shoot and beat up the bad guy they don’t stop to think if the person they are beating up actually did anything wrong.

          US cops need to be jailed and replaced with citizens that want to help the society they live in.

  • "Omega" (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Okay, so smiling is bad. What the fuck is the solution to not look suspicious to cops at this point? Making eye contact is suspicious, but not making eye contact is also suspicious. So what, are we supposed to Sneak 100 past them when we see them from afar now? Is that it?

    At which point does a society realizes that maybe we have an issue when people are actively trying to avoid cops even though they are not doing anything that is against the laws? How many people need to be detained over nothing? How many people need to be brutalized with no consequences to their blue aggressors? How many people need to be killed by the “finest”?

    I treat cops like a rogue militia. I avoid them when I can, and otherwise, I feel the need to watch my every step because they are completely unpredictable. And for fuck’s sake, I’m white! Needless to say, cops are much less on the lookout for me. When I hear the stories of people from different ethnicities, it’s fucking terrifying.

    But hey, gotta protect the rich somehow, I guess.

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          If they kill you, technically you don’t exist anymore.

          Honestly, how fragile and weak you have to be to be triggered by being looked at. If they are that scared, they should remove their eyeballs.

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      Okay, so smiling is bad. What the fuck is the solution to not look suspicious to cops at this point?

      There’s an episode from the Twilight Zone reboot (S1E3, “Replay”) that plays with this idea in an interesting way. A black mother and son are at a diner with a police officer, and things happen and her son gets shot. But then she discovers that she has this magic camcorder that can rewind time, so she goes back to the diner and tries again, doing things differently. And this time he gets shot for a different reason. So she goes back, again and again, trying different approaches.

      It really captures the feeling of insecurity, of being damned if you do, damned if you don’t. And it’s sort of a metaphor for the different scenarios playing out in one’s head, of trying to think of how each action might be misinterpreted or go wrong.

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        Yup

        Funny how the yanks find out use of “cunt” offensive, but children being murdered in schools is just the price of freedom…

        It’s crazy what different societies see as obscene

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          It’s a different word in the US, with a totally different meaning. I’ve never heard it said by a yank without it being directed at a woman in a voice filled with hate, intended to demean, frighten, or hurt her. We all get that it means something else across the pond, we’re not offended by your use of it, although I personally would prefer you don’t direct it at women who you suspect might be from the US. Many of us have really bad memories of terrifying situations where we were called that word.

          I also find children being murdered pretty fucking offensive, for the record.

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    fucking insane. So many NYPD patrol vehicles and personnel to stop a lady on her bike in the bike lane. What the fuck?

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    What’s really shocking is that a woman detained in the US for not having ID wasn’t delivered to ICE immediatelly and deported to El Salvador without due process.

    I mean, the whole point of not having due process is that if a person can’t right then and there prove they’re not an illegal immigrant they can just treat that person as an illegal immigrant and “dissapear” that person for it with no recourse.

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    Its’ strange that they let her keep her phone in that tiny cell. In any case, they are all very brave when the offender is a 55kg young girl.

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    remember folks: brutality is a method employed by “democracies” under capitalism.

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    TBF you’d have to be truly mentally unwell to be smiling in these times. /s

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    Psychopaths who habitually escalate because you don’t give them enough “respect,” but I do stop for anybody with lights on even if I’m in a bike lane. Mostly because I don’t want to get hit by an idiot cop or sleep deprived emt or some other car deciding the bike lane is where they want to go to yield for the emergency vehicle.

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      That’s actually a popular misconception. Your goal is fo come off as docile, comfortable, and most importantly neurotypical. They think avoiding eye contact is evidence of a crime. If they think you’re scared they’ll give you something to be scared of.

      After all, only bad guys are scared of our heroic cops. /s