The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.
According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.
Well, constitutionally, they can’t for whatever that’s worth now.
That bold faced liar can go right to hell.
Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.
I’m personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.
Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it’s our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.
There are very few people who would survive this tactic though.
Still seems like a stupid plan—2nd amendment or not (which is really not what the 2nd was about before courts made it anyway). At best you take one with you on the way out, if you’re ready when they break in. At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
If everyone they illegally targeted managed to take one this problem would be quickly resolved
Any statement that begins with “If everyone one…” is going to be followed by something that would be great, but won’t happen. As much as we may both 100% believe it should.
I’ve never imagined I’d survive a fascist regime.
^ This, 100%
Some of us don’t have the luxury to keep our heads down and blend in when fascists want to target those who are “different.” That’s why I am outspoken about it - I can’t hide who I am, and even if I could, I’d refuse to live a lie.
I don’t have kids, I don’t have pets, the only person depending on my survival is me. If fascists come to take me, I’d rather go down and take them with me than go into the black hole (an entity from which nothing escapes) of a foreign prison/death camp.
To assume one will merely be “detained” and given due process in the United States is, sadly, a naïve take in 2025.
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Fuck fascists
At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
I’m well past that point. Especially with this fascist dictatorship. Being detained will likely get us tortured or thrown into a concentration camp. I’d rather die resisting these fuckers than die in some torture room.
Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.
This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people’s doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts – especially in blue areas – are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.
Edit to add: You’re also not protecting your “property” in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you’re going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight – especially in your own home.
Also, the person may go to jail, but dead is dead. The person shot will be gone, and may make others be more cautious, as hopelessly goulish as that thought is. I hope that things calm down and the rule of law returns before things escalate that far. I don’t recognize the country right now.
Well, that’s pretty much how the entire crime and punishment system is supposed to work. Do the crime, get got for it, others hoping to do the same thing will hopefully think twice before doing so in the future.
Therefore I think it’s completely fair that this script gets flipped on the fascists who are pretending to be “law” enforcement.
I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal
It would be federal, because it would be a federal agent getting shot. Any murder of a federal officer–including postal carriers–is a federal crime, in addition to being a state crime. OTOH, remember that a large number of federal judges are not friendly to Herr Fuhrer.
Yes, and also aren’t hordes of these dipshits local cops that Trump is aiming to “deputize” to assist ICE? Those guys are not Federal agents no matter how hard they wish.
Well, the immigration official can sign the warrant themselves, so… still a warrant if I’m hearing right. But, a super fucked up warrant nonetheless.
Warrants from entities involved in enforcement aren’t warrants for the 4th amendment.
Doesn’t seem like it really matters if the courts rule against it. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism, and no one seems to be willing to escalate.
Yes they do. The US Marshall service is considered the judicial armed police force. Though at the moment they enforce immigration as one of their functions they would be the ones to arrest federal cops for doing unconstitutional (illegal) shit in theory.
Unfortunately wrong. The marshals work for Pam Bondi at the DOJ. Still under the control of the executive.
Sounds like something an illegal alien would say… /s
Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.
Silently supporting this… After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny… Well it’s freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been
SRA, strapped at all times. Can’t do much with small numbers
My MIL went from being an anti-gun democrat to going with my partner and I for shooting lessons this weekend. It’s never publicized, but if you keep your head up, you can see the winds change.
Edit, because I realized I was unclear: This administration woke her up to the dangers of disarming the workers. She’s moved farther left.
Yeah I’m seeing people at the range becoming a lot more diverse and I’m really glad they’re getting the practice in and not just the firearm.
Right fucking here. Notice they’re picking on people highly unlikely to fight back? Come for my brown, legal-migrant wife, see what happens.
You’re going to get into a firefight with federal cops with your wife around? Genuinely asking what the “find out” part is
What’s the alternative? Stay silent and let her disappear to the El Salvador death camp? Take a few of them with you.
Im willing to bet the odds she’ll die at the death camp are lower than in a close quarters gunfight with a bunch of dumbfucks firing away.
Feel free to go out in an unnecessary blaze of glory though. Very macho 👌
I’d do my best to make sure I could see my wife again
Have fun not seeing her no matter your best then.
Either die in a hail of gunfire or never see her again isn’t really the dilemma (yet). trump’s deportations are fucking horrific, but these prisons do not have a 100% death rate. I figure our odds are better fighting to get her out alive rather than a gunfight.
Y’all can keep the wild west fantasy. I’m being realistic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I stand by the spirit of what I said but it was definitely more crass than intended. You probably wouldn’t snitch on her but you would just say you’d see if you could get visitation as they take her.
Yes, I’m prepared to die. And that isn’t a knee-jerk macho reaction. I’ve put a great deal of thought into this.
Look, it’s easy for me to say, a middle-aged man who has lived life. Been a few times where I thought, “Shit, this may be it. Can’t say I have many regrets and this day is as fine as another other.” I understand that younger folks want to play out the odds, I would have felt the same in my 20s or 30s, maybe into my 40s.
But at some point you have to draw a moral line in the sand. Literally say, “I’ll die before I allow this.” I will not allow unidentified, warrantless, masked men into my home to kidnap my (legal alien) wife. I see no benefit in going quietly. After all, American cops have taught us by example, if they kick the door in, they are there to kill you. It’s the orge’s choice, die fast or slow. Begging and pleading only gets you killed slower.
I 100% understand what you mean and where you’re coming from. The idea that I could have a loved one ripped away from me by fascists and sent to a camp is horrifying. I understand wanting to die rather than let that happen.
I’m approaching this rationally, though. YOU may be prepared to die at a moment’s notice – but what about your wife? Has she consented to dying in a barrage of bullets when the gestapo comes a-knockin’? I think the last time I looked it up, something like 12 people have died at the El Salvadorian prison. This is ignoring the deplorable conditions and the disturbing abuses that happen of course. I think my/their odds are better there than bleeding out on the floor.
It seems to me that the option that would most allow me to see that loved one again would be to avoid dying in the first place or placing them in harm’s way.
if they kick the door in, they are there to kill you.
This isn’t quite true. You are in mortal danger absolutely, but that danger multiplies tenfold when you draw a weapon and fire. They are there for political purposes to deport people. There’s a monetary incentive in El Salvador to keep these political prisoners alive, too. If death squads begin roaming the streets, summarily executing people, then I will see the logic. Hell I’d take up arms.
I also think about the logistics of a firefight. Is your gun at the ready for when you hear a noise downstairs? Are you shooting into the dark? What if it’s the incompetent Sherriff’s office at the wrong house for a no-knock raid? What if they do knock? Where are you hiding? What happens after you’re shot? Let’s say you win the firefight – what then? Do you flee? If so, why not just flee in the first place to avoid the chance of death? What if you’re the only one that dies in the firefight and your wife is left alone? Is that better? What if just SHE dies? There is literally no way this goes down that works for me.
This is a scary time, and whatever plans I draw up will ensure the best chances of keeping my family alive. I hope you and yours are and stay safe.
Right here.
Shoot 'em in the dick.
Even if they have full-coverage soft armor, and not just a plate carrier, that’s gonna drop 'em instantly. Can’t walk with a 9mm through your pelvis, and there are a lot or arteries going through there.
Also, I’m a certified basic pistol instructor; if any of y’all are looking for non-chuds to get some basic training from, look up the Liberal Gun Club, the Socialist Rifle Association (altho competency varies a lot from chapter to chapter), or Operation Blazing Sword.
What lists do feds put you on for joining those
No clue, since it doesn’t seem to stop you from getting NFA items approved.
Based on your instance, I’m going to have to assume you’re Canadian and thus not informed on the minuta of state level politics and how they vary state to state. Some of the 2a people love going balls deep on authoritarian cock not all of us.
We’re here.
uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections
…That’s not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.
Journalists don’t need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don’t print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they’re lies and falsehoods. They didn’t find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they’re making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren’t going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it’s a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn’t do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn’t changed that.
Still waiting on those nuts to step up to what they said they were keeping guns for.
No no those guns were to make sure they don’t end up on the bottom.
You can go exercise your rights too.
Learn to shoot, might not be long before they’re kicking in your door.
I’m not going to some El Salvadoran death camp. If I’m gonna get killed by my own government, I’m going down swinging. Maybe I’ll take a few of the bastards with me.
Why?
Are you unarmed and regretting your anti gun political beliefs as you run head first into this brick wall of reality?
Your mistake is thinking that the media in the US employ journalists. They’re oligarch controlled propaganda machines.
Not great
Hey that 60 Minutes producer quit because he couldn’t run the show independently anymore, so apparently sometimes oligarchs didn’t have complete control yet
Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.
Republicans would be the ones looking for Anne Frank.
The hypotheticals have run out of runway. They’re here.
And also out of Janeway. Save us, Captain; we need you now more than ever!
Shit, Republicans would re-crucify Jesus as woke and harboring criminals.
So… where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?
Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?
There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
See they are not coming for their guns, so there does not appear to be a problem. Yet.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
This is the real takeaway. Orwell was right about a lot of shit, but the use of language as a means of control was extra prescient.
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Correct. At this point a few ICE agents need to be treated as armed intruders and dealt with.
We don’t do this in an armed society … it’s why we are armed.
It’s a bold move Cotton, let’s see how this test of the 2nd amendment plays out.
See you in El Salvador buddy.
the executive branch must abide by the law as it’s written
That’s adorable.
Arm yourselves.
Having read the title and also the whole article… Let me say. The fuck no you can’t. Let’s get letigious or let’s get the vests. I’ve got over 200 years of jurisprecisence and the moral high road. We can skip the cultural perogative if you really want to. Or in this case you can endorse it. It doesn’t matter to me. as a cisgender white male and, and prolific gun owner, who is utterly tired of this already, let’s fuckin go. I’ve been waiting and i’ve finally got the perfect set up to tell you how many ways you can blow it out your ass.
Disgusting anti American anti constitutional blowhards all of them.
Love this energy. Get litigious first. The thugs like violence, but they cant win at court - at least not without their favourite judges.
This prescident isn’t giving time to be litigious first. They will be in your home before you can dial 911, whom is likely helping this happen.
Yeah. Be ready ofc
ownership is 9/10 of the law, especially when the subject in question is your life
Haha thanks. I’ll be honest. That post was made with a fair bit of unintentional inebriation, but I stand behind it. Don’t do social media and imbibe, kids. But the message maintains. I’ve got a whole lot of privilege that the world said I should be careful and mindful of. I’ve been polite and aware and I’ve sincerely tried to not abuse it. I know how my lot in life has been easier than most . But now I’m ready to take full advantage of that. Let’s fuckin go and let’s make them write more checks their asses can cash. Because collection day is very very close.
While I’m on board, as a white cisgender male who can afford a lawyer, the problem comes when you add it to the other human rights violations of this administration. What are you going to do when guys in ski masks and overwhelming force break down your door and kidnap you out of the country. Then claim “it’s not possible to give everyone a hearing”, much less an appeal or any other due diligence? Nor can they send anyone back, even when they were wrong
It may only be for “those people” so far but we’ve arrived at gestapo midnight raids to fill concentration camps
LOL “anti American”
It is the most american thing ever.
Shoot all trespassers.
Badge or not, without a warrant it’s straight breaking and entering. Treat them as any common criminal breaking into your home since they are just cosplaying LE at that point
A “memo”. A fucking memo. No, this is a violation of the Constitution. Fuck your memo.
Can’t wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state
Once upon a time, German authorities decided to raid the home, or rather estate, of the local Hell’s Angel boss. Police (SEK) came up to the door in civilian clothes and balaclavas, announced themselves as police. Boss inside panics, thinks it’s a rival gang trying to take him out, grabs a shotgun, shoots a police through the door. Ultimately gets apprehended.
Police file murder charges. State attorney downgrades that to manslaughter. Judge says “WTF that was self defence if police don’t want to get shot through the door they shouldn’t be running around ringing doorbells in civilian clothes and balaclavas anybody can shout ‘police open up!’”. Still got nailed for illegal possession of firearms on top of everything else he was wanted for, of course. Welcome to German law where you can legally stand your ground with a full auto but are not allowed to own one.
Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
The person who would that, if they are somehow still alive, will be crucified by the state.
Yep
No way. The courts would set them free.
I wish I was that optimistic
We have precedent on this exact issue, actually. Down in Florida 5-10 years ago. Sometimes the courts do as you say. Not all the time, though. Details matter.
A lot depends on your race. Things like Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine tend to go better for white folks.
Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i’d say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.
weird question, do i have to be black to join the black panthers
You can buy a gun and practice. Start a club with your neighbors.
There are clubs for every group you can imagine. Find one and protect yourself.
You might be better off looking into something like the Socialist Riffle Association and if they have a chapter in your area. No idea how good they are but I’m in the DSA and some people mention them as an option.
The Black Panthers arming themselves because of (I hope you’re sitting down) police brutality is why assault weapons were first banned in California. Backed by Democrats, Republicans, and the NRA, and signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan. I’m talking about The Mulford Act.
Just so you know how it’s going to go.
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“According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval.”
They’re going to have a fun time here in Oregon:
https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219
"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"
Fellow Oregonian here and i love that you posted this!! Thank you!
They really haven’t thought this out long-term. The Panthers knew a thing or two about gun rights and the right to self-defense. These Nazi policies are endangering the state’s monopoly on violence.
Thanks. I have two guns in my home and will be keeping them close by and loaded.
No kids, just in case anyone was worried.
Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they’re looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.
Sounds like a second amendment solution.
violent problems require violent solutions.
