Gavin Newsom has always been a slimey shit who is basically a right wing candidate. If the dems could stop fucking giving us right wing or maximum centre right candidates that would be super cool.
Is anyone really surprised? He’s just a neoliberal that’s had a lot of good press this year.
Well, then, fuck him.
Ladies and gentelmen, California Bush
Billionaire tax should be 99%, no breaks or deductions. Boom I said it.
Even double digit millionaires shouldn’t exist.
Anything networh over 10 million should be taxed 100%. hard stop, hard cap.
Companies too should now be able to grow beyond 1 billion in net worth. Anything over that, 100% tax
NO MORE MULTIMILLIONAIRES! NOT ANYWHERE
I meant to say 99% (probably should add the .99) of their net worth, as opposed to what was earned in the last year.
I’m not trying to literally tax them to literal death, just back down to regular people levels.
Make some kinda cutoff for retirement, but then impose a tax specifically for commercial interest purchases/expenditures.
I voted for him twice, but that was a solid dick move. Right now, I’m liking Mark Kelly’s chances though I’d rather have someone more forward thinking.
And sorry folks. AOC just hasn’t got the experience yet. Senate seat or a Cabinet position first.
Remember Democrats, if he’s the Democrat option come election time it’s TOO LATE TO bitch!!
Fucking primaries!! They matter they are the only real choice! Organize, cavas suppot real progressives!
But once the national election comes up, I better not hear any fucking bitching, and you better line up becuase 4 years of president Vance is going to kick you in the nuts.
I agree with supporting real progressives
I disagree with too late to bitch. The dems fucked Bernie over for Hilary in one of the most corrupt political situations ive ever seen. Either dems can stop providing candidates that dont support genocide and that no one except billionaires want, or they can keep losing to literal fascists. Its a really easy choice for them but they absolutely seem unwilling to make it.
Gavin Newsom is a right wing candidate. He shouldn’t be within a million miles of the presidency.
If I’m forced to vote for this asshole I’m going to bitch the entire time.
Why? Because it’s bullshit and I’m allowed to.
Fuck the Democratic Party.
Gavin Newsom takes money from AIPAC and knows he can’t justify it, and has expressed support for Zionist Israel. Just like Holocaust Harris, I will not vote for anyone who supports genocide. If signing my name to greenlight genocide is the cost of “democracy” (actually oligarchy with some publicly-funded democracy theater), then the price is too high and I refuse.
I don’t like him, he’s just another Republican-lite establishment Democrat, like Obama, or the Clintons. He used to be married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, before she became Don Jr’s concubine (Now she’s in exile as the Greek Ambassador, to shut her up), so he must be tolerant enough of MAGA nonsense to marry one.
I’m so sick of these people claiming to be our saviors every four years, and when they get in, they spend ALL their efforts appeasing corrupt pedophile traitors, even when they have the power to crush them.
We’ve seen what MAGA is capable of, and what they want in the future. When the power flips, we have to fight fire with fire, and ruthlessly purge MAGA from our government and our society, and I doubt Newsome is the guy for the job. He’s just another water-carrier for the Sociopathic Oligarchs, which California has lots of.
But if he’s the nominee, then that’s who I’ll vote for over ANY MAGA.
Get used to it. I’m in my mid 40s and the Democrats have been this my entire fucking life.
Remember Democrats, if he’s the Democrat option come election time it’s TOO LATE TO bitch!!
And that’s why I’m not a Democrat.
Jesus Christ, if you think Presidential primaries matter, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you. If the Democratic primaries weren’t rigged to hell and back Bernie would have finished his second term last January. And if Democrats had been allowed to have a primary in 2024 Newsom would probably be president now.
If you want us to believe that your primaries are an opportunity for actual choice, maybe you shouldn’t have appointed a 2024 Presidential candidate who never, in her entire life, won a single fucking primary.
If the Democratic primaries weren’t rigged to hell and back Bernie would have finished his second term last January.
Which the courts said was within their legal right, so you can absolutely expect them to do it again.
There were no primaries in 2024…
Again, you can rage like a lunatic and do nothing productive, or get involved and do to the Democratic party what the tea party did to the Republican party.
So it’s absolutely possible, but just bitching about the system ain’t it.
The dems havent had a legitimate primary since Obamas first election and the only reason that happened is because he had undeniable support. They have fucked every primary since, and then wonder why they lose every time it matters.
The Tea Party still had the backing of capitalists. If you try moving the Democrat party meaningfully left, you will not have that.
It’s currently working with recent events progressive primarying efforts, but not from actually getting centrist corporate Dems from shifting left.
There were no primaries in 2024…
That’s the fucking point.
Don’t tell me I can fight the billionaire masters of the Democratic Party in the primaries when those billionaire masters canceled the primaries just last year.
We need a new progressive movement, not just to outcompete the failed Democrats, but to move this country away from a broken system of electoral politics that lets us “choose” between two oligarchs from the Epstein caste and calls it democracy. We don’t need progressives banging their heads against a billionaire funded wall and lending credibility to a rigged primary process through their participation.
There wasn’t a lot of time for a primary to be fair. A primary would have happened if Biden stuck to his word and stayed a one term candidate.
Progressives winning primaries through Ranked Choice Voting would be huge. At the least it would give us voters a real clue about how close we are to getting progressives in power instead of just the incumbents.
Luckily, the Democratic Party has recently supported the idea of using Ranked Choice Voting for primaries.
A new party can’t get off the ground if the entire voting system moved to Ranked Choice voting. Which can happen on a state by state basis and has already happened in Alaska and Maine.
On the side of the billionaires and the zionists. He’ll be the next president for sure.
And don’t forget he is also throwing trans people under the bus to.
just having lived in california is enough for a lot of states to vote against you
I got a fiver that says he has to try to walk this back when he runs “the most progressive campaign in us history” in 2028.
I mean, how lucky are we? Hillary, Biden, Kamala, all with “the most progressive platform” ever!
And before that, Obama, Kerry, and if I remember right even fucking Gore were all accused of being the most radical left Presidential candidates in American history.
Funny how the Democratic Party keeps running more and more progressive candidates - both the Republicans and Democrats say they’re doing it, so it must be true - and yet the Democratic Party keeps moving more and more to the right.
oh yeah, totally feeling lucky, think I’ll go buy a lottery ticket.
edit: I lost.
What’s “progressive” about ignoring 999,999,999 dollars? Focusing on an arbitrary number isn’t smart.
And so it begins. Abandon all progressive ideas to appeal to the “centrist”, only to lose to the fascist again. I hate it here.
Gavin never supported progressive ideals?
Eh, early in his term he did a bunch of good stuff, it’s just rightly overshadowed by the bad stuff.
Yeah and while he’s probably not enough of a progressive, he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.
It needs to be nationwide, but Newsom probably wouldn’t do that as president either. Too many billionaire pals and donors.
he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.
That basically never actually happens. See: New York.
You can’t abandon ideals that you never held.
The only reason Newsom has had any interest from the broader electorate is that he was outspoken in opposing Trump. The minute he enters the primary and starts spouting the same valueless, donor-approved, corporate drivel as Kamala, Jefferies, Schumer, etc., he’s going to flame out fast.
I feel like people have completely forgotten that Kamala was at like 3% when she bowed out of the primaries.
The hatred of trump might propel a dem who otherwise has no chance. like when Biden won. Against any competent republican he would have been clobbered.
She was the vice president, the person we choose to take over when a president is incapacitated. I would love to hear about all the ways she’s worse than Trump.
Nothing more infuriating to see people thoroughly scrutinize one candidate while absolutely refusing to do so for the other.
They didn’t say anything about Trump, they said she had no shot of winning the primary, which is true. She was on track to lose every single state, including California, where she was a sitting senator. If you think describing polling data from a 5 year old primary is somehow saying Kamala is, “worse than Trump,” you should log off for a while, maybe take a walk or something.
they said she had no shot of winning the primary
The neither did Sanders.
She was NOT GOING TO LOSE CALIFORNIA. For fuck’s sake, who could possibly be this fucking stupid. You know the election happened right? SHE WON CALIFORNIA, YOU IMPOSSIBLE DUMBASS.
She was essentially a younger Biden so you might want to look into whatever unconscious issues you have with voting for a non-white man.
You’re saying Harris shouldn’t have been elected… that means you support Trump. You certainly worked extra hard for him spreading your bullshit lies and blatant propaganda. You’re the same as MAGA, no thought, no reasoning, no HONESTY. Fucking shameful.
She was NOT GOING TO LOSE CALIFORNIA. For fuck’s sake, who could possibly be this fucking stupid.
OK, but yes, she absolutely was..
You know the election happened right? SHE WON CALIFORNIA, YOU IMPOSSIBLE DUMBASS.
Again, no. She dropped out before the California ballot deadline, most likely to spare herself the embarrassment of losing her home state.
The neither did Sanders.
Sanders won several states. Kamala was polling so badly she dropped out before Iowa.
I’m sorry that accurately remembering the 2020 primary is so upsetting to you, but Kamala did not win a single state, even as a VP choice. She dropped out in December of 2019. Voting started in February of 2020. Biden eventually secured the nomination, and on August 11th, the day that the final state voted, he named Kamala as his running mate.. Anyway, maybe before you jump into a thread and start calling people dumbasses, you should make sure that literally everything you’re saying isn’t wrong.
You mean idiots will refuse to vote for him while refusing to scrutinize his opposition.
His, “opposition,” is going to be other Democratic primary challengers. Can you at least wait until there’s a nominee before you start in with the, “Oh, you want the Republicans to win!?!?” bullshit?
If Newsome gets the nod, which is the assumption we were all OBVIOUSLY operating one for the purpose of this conversation, people are already all over this thread saying they wouldn’t vote him and would hand the presidency to Republicans.
Just like they did last November. They’re right to scrutinize Harries, every politician should be. But they’re WRONG to stop at Harris. They give Trump a pass. Then they act like they have the moral high ground and gloat about bringing Trump back to power.
If Newsome gets the nod, which is the assumption we were all OBVIOUSLY operating one for the purpose of this conversation
That’s a weird assumption to make considering I started this conversation by saying, “The minute [Newsom] enters the primary…he’s going to flame out fast.”
This guy fuckmurders the homeless while whoring for billionaires. Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?
His sales pitch is centered around “I’m not a Republicantm!”
Most people on this planet don’t lose a second of sleep or shed one tear if the poor die, including the poor.
On the assumption that we are able to vote at the time, if it’s between him and
<insertAuthoritarianDouchebagHere>, I’ll vote for him.However, I’d imagine that most of my fellow U. S. Citizens are well aware that this sheister is not some sort of “friend” of the poor and the middle class.
I’d vote for him over Trump, but he has not won me over by any stretch, just like Harris, Biden, and (Hillary) Clinton.
A fun PR person sending tweets is insufficient to win my vote. I wouldn’t be voting for him, I’d be voting against Trump, as has been the case each time Trump has been on the ballot.
Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?
Same reason they voted for Hillary and Joe.
They don’t want things to change.
He’s also pro-genocide.
You’re not voting for him. You’re voting against the other guy.
THATS. HOW. TRUMP. WON.
How have ppl not realized not being Trump can’t be your entire platform!?!?
I think Gavin is counting on voting laws not changing and him going against a different Republican challenger instead of Trump.
I’m personally hoping a different candidate wins the Democratic primary instead of Gavin, and I would support a more progressive option in the primary instead in 2028.
You’re 100% right that actually selling a platform matters more than chasing Republicans. Dems not even trying to sell anything more than a lukewarm, water down platform is what hammered them in 2024.
People need hope and we need Presidential candidates willing to bake risk into their messaging, such as passing Universal Healthcare and a Universal Basic Income program. Voters will move if a leader is compelling with their messaging and shows that the positive change they could bring would matter to them personally.
Then vote in the fucking primary. I. The general you sit up and back the better candidate no matter how shit.
First of all, Harris’ tax plan was to tax unrealized gains over $1M would effectively make all Billionaire’s income go limp dick, and possibly reverse the deficit at the same time, so this is actually a worse choice.
Second, how did that fucking go? Huh? 2024 was an easy decision. 2016 was an easy decision. People keep fucking it up. No matter who wins the primary, we need to be out there promoting NotARepublican™.
At this point in time I’m pretty sure you would win in a landslide if you ran on taxing billionaires. Is being greedy a requirement to be a politician in the US?
If you’re not greedy, the billionaires won’t fund your campaign. Then you lose.
Well, added context is billionaires won’t fund your campaign causing your public relations to drop. Then you lose.
We shouldn’t just scapegoat the rich for something that tens of millions of people vote for while tens of millions more don’t vote at all.
Irrelevant context. As a great sage once said
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
This is a binary system one OR the other will win. There is no other outcome. You either push to influence it in a better or worse direction you dont get to sit it out. The result WILL effect you.
It is relevant and important context because we solve this problem by convincing the millions of people, not the rich.
A wise famous playwrite once said:
"Putting the cart before the horse ".
That would only be true if most people couldn’t think for themselves and it was possible to spend money to influence their opinion.
Exactly.
Huh. What got deleted by a mod if you agree?
Don’t know. What got deleted?
Whatever you were replying to.
The thing I replied to says, “That would only be true if most people couldn’t think for themselves and it was possible to spend money to influence their opinion”.
No surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention to what he does instead of what he says.
